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Saturday, 25 February 2012

The Pelissier Family of Dublin and Clonmel

Robert Oscar Jones, brother of our maternal great-grandmother Tennie Jones, was married to Adelina Maud Pelissier.  She was the daughter of Edward Pelissier and Hannah Jones (no relation to the Dublin Jones) of Clonmel, Tipperary.
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Adelina Maude Jones, née Pelissier with one of her daughters.


They descend from the family of Abel Pelissier, a soldier in Galway’s Regiment, who left Castres in the Languedoc in 1685 and settled, first in Portarlington, then Dublin.

Abel Pelissier was the son of Abel Pelissier and Anne Nicolaud of Castres in the Languedoc.  Abel Pelissier married twice, first to Susanne Mutuel in Castres on 28th March 1684, and secondly, to Marie de Choisy in Portarlington, Co. Laois, on  4th December 1698.

'Inventaire Sommaire des Archives Departmentales Anterieures a 1790' which details the archives of the Tarn/Castres area prior to 1790, noted that, on 19th April 1685, the day that a bell donated by the King to the Jesuits of Castres was due to be blessed following a procession, Abel Pelissier was instead reading the New Testament with his family.  This must have singled the family out immediately as Protestant, and Abel and his wife, Susanne Mutuel, fled France, leaving a young child behind.
According to a mid-Victorian researcher in 1855, ('Notes on the Family of Pelissier in Ireland', published by the Huguenot Society of G.B. and Ireland) with help from William St. George Pelissier, who was the grandson of Abel Pelissier, Abel left sons behind in Castres who converted to Catholicism and therefore retained the Pelissier family estates there. 
It is more likely that Abel Pelissier and Suzanne Mutuel only had the one son, named Abel after his father, before they fled France.   Abel Pelissier, the son of Abel Pelissier and Suzanne Mutuel, was born in 1685, the year that his parents left the country.   Later a cavalry officer in the Auvergne regiment, Abel de Pelissier (1685 - 1761) married Isabeau or Elizabeth de Rouzet and had a son, Maurice de Pelissier, and a daughter, Elizabeth de Pelissier.   Son Maurice married Marguerite Charlotte Barbara de Labelotterie de Boisseson on 20th April 1761.   The daughter of Abel Pelissier and Isabeau de Rouzet, Elizabeth, married Jean de Verdiguier de Chateauverdun, seigneur de Pecalvet et de la Salle.

Abel Pelissier, following his flight from France in 1685, was noted by the Tarn archives being admitted on 8th February 1686 into Amersfoort, Holland, where he set up a fabric factory with the help of generous subsidies provided by the Amersfoort authorities. Abel, however, failed to use enough of the local craftsmen as expected, and from 1687 the town refused to further fund his venture.
The Tarn archives note the French courts dealing with the furniture, effects and papers of Castres merchant, Abel Pelissier, in 1690;  in 1696, the courts administered the goods of the fugitive Abel Pelissier.
By 1692 Abel had migrated to London, where he was joined by his sister, Jeanne Pelissier, who had also fled France; having been arrested in Bilbao in November 1687, she managed to continue onto to London where she reunited with her brother.

A son, Abraham Pelissier, was baptised by Abel Pelissier and Susanne Mutuel in Stepney, London, on 14th September 1692. As noted by the LDS website,  the infant, Abraham, died in 1692, and his mother, Susanne, must have died at this time also, since Abel Pelissier would go on to marry Marie de Choisy in Portarlington in 1698.

Abel Pelissier, who would shortly settle in Ireland, joined Galway's regiment - on December 17th 1690, passes were granted to Captain Pelissier and three servants to travel from England to Holland.
 On April 23 1697, a travel pass was granted to Quartermaster Pelissier in Lord Galway’s Regiment to go from England to Holland.
Abel was awarded a military pension on 1st May 1699; his regiment was disbanded in 1698 or 1699.  In 1708 he was an adjutant with Boucheliere's Dragoons;  the following year, 1709,  he was a lieutenant with Lord Galway's Horse.  He had 37 years military service, until 1726.

The widowed Abel Pelissier married Marie de Choisy in Portarlington, Co. Laois, on 4th December 1698 - she was the daughter of Cesar de Choisy and of Marie Gilbert de Chefboutonne in Poitou.   Marie's father, Cesar de Choisy, was living at Portarlington with his second wife, Francoise Canche, in 1698.

The children of Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy were recorded in the Registers of the French Church at Portarlington and in the Registers of the French Conformed Churches of St. Patrick's and St. Mary's.
The will of Abel Pelissier was made on January 14th 1727 or 1728.  Abel's fortune was under £1000;  he left a quarter of it to his son, Alexander, and three quarters to his wife.  To his other children he left 1/- each.  The executors were his son, Alexander Pelissier, and his wife Mary.
There was an affadavit in February by Abel's son Rev. John Pelissier, Fellow of Tinity College. Probate - 17th February 1727 or 1728.

Deed 59-224-40189:  This was the memorial of an indented lease bearing the date of 26th March 1729 whereby Mary/Marie (named in one part of this deed as Suzanne) Pelissier, the widow of Abel Pelissier, and Alexander Pellesser (sic), son of Abel Pelissier, both being the executors of Abel Pelissier's will, did demise to George Turney of Dublin, a joiner/joyner, a parcel of land on Dame Street, Dublin, which adjoined the house of Alexander Pelissier on the north side of the street.

Abel's widow, Mrs. Pelissier, née Marie de Choisy, died on February 29th 1756 aged 76 and was buried in St. Patrick and St. Mary's, in Dublin, on 2nd March 1756 in the burial ground of the French Church which was located at the end of Cathedral Lane near Kevin Street on land known as the Cabbage Patch . Widow Marie or Mary de Choisy/Pelissier made her will on 11th July 1748.  In it, she noted that her son, John, owed her £300, of which £100 was to be given to her daughter, Molly, and £200 to Olympe, Maryanne, son Charles;  1/- to go to each of the other children.  There was an affadavit by the Rev. Peter Pelissier, her son, on 14th April 1748.  The administration was to Olympe, a principle legatee.

The children of Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy were as follows:

Abel Pelissier, Junior, was born in Portarlington on 8th June 1700 and was presented for baptism by his grandfather, Cesar de Choisy and by Marie de Choisy, on 27th June 1700.  I can find nothing further about this child,

Jean or John Pelissier was born on 4th July 1703 and was baptised by Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy in Portarlington on 24th July 1703. He was presented for baptism by Captain Jean Nicolas, an army pensioner and possibly a relation of his maternal grandmother, Anne Nicolas of Castres, and by his mother, Marie de Choisy who stood in for the absent godmother Ester Gilbert.
Rev. John Pelissier DD, was the Rector of Ardstraw, Co. Tyrone. Before this he had taught Edmund Burke in Trinity College, Dublin, but left in 1753 to take up the living of Ardstraw , Co Tyrone, which post he held until 1781.
The Proni online e-catalogue features many of the documentation relating to his encumbency of Ardstraw, and detailing his fair treatment of his tenants during harsh weather and famine there.
His Trinity records were as follow - John Pelissier - Educated by Mr. Lloyd, Dublin. April 25 1719, aged 16;  Son of Abel, of the military. Was born at Clonygown, Portarlington, Queen’s County. BA Vern 1727.
On 10th August 1748, both Rev. Dr. John Pelissier and Charles Pelissier,  his brother, were elected as freemen to the Corporation of Kilkenny.
Rev. John Pelissier leased property in French Street/Little Cuffe Street to his sister Mary Letablere on 25th February 1757. (Deed 185-419-123709.)    He had earlier, on 10th June 1846, leased possibly the same house on French Street to Anthony Ledeveze. (Deed 121-457-83600.)   This house was later in the possession of John Pelissier's nephew, Dr. Alexander Pelissier, son of Rev. Peter Pelissier.

On 20th November 1774, Rev. John Pelissier of Moyle, Co. Tyrone, sold land at Ballycoolane, Killcormuck, King's County, to James Miller of Frankford, Thomas Drought of Droughtville or Heath (this last was slightly illegible), and Thomas Drought of Cappagolon, all in King's County. (Deed 302-117-199423.)

Rev. John Pelissier, son of Abel, made his will on 5th May 1763 - the executor was his wife, Margaret Maxwell, although a slight mystery exists here - Rev. John Pelissier’s wife, Patience Pelissier, made her will at Camus, Tyrone, in 1762.   Margaret Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell and Sarah Waring of Falkland, Co. Monaghan and must have married Rev. John Pelissier following the death of his first wife, Patience, in 1762.  
Rev. John Pelissier died on 6th January 1781 - this from his Trinity College entry.
'Saunders Newsletter' of 27th September 1799 announced the sale at auction of the household furniture, garden implements and cows belonging to the late Rev. Dr. John Pelissier of the Pond, Rathfarnham. 

Jacques or James Pelissier was born in Portarlington to Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy on 27th August 1706 and was baptised on 13th September 1706.  He was presented for baptism by Monsieur Darabin who was standing in for the absent godfather, Monsieur Daubessargues, and by Mrs. Darabin (or d'Arabin), the godmother.
James/Jacques Pelissier/Pellissier joined the navy, and made a will on 4th August 1739.  James Pellissier of His Majesty's ship the 'Salisbury', made his will "considering the perills and dangers of the seas and other uncertainties of this transitory life..."   and left his entire estate to his three unmarried sisters, then resident in Dublin, namely Mary, Olympia and Mary-Ann.  Probate was granted on 4th April 1741 to his executor in London, the gentleman Edward Jasper.

Angelique Pelissier was born  in Portarlington on 2nd January 1709 and was baptised there on 20th January 1709 by her parents Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy - her godparents were Marc Antoine de Mezerat and Madame Lalande who was represented in the church by Henriette Nicolas, another possible member of the Nicolas family of Castres.   Angelique Pelissier, eldest daughter of Abel Pelissier, died on February 9th 1731 and was buried in St. Patrick and St. Mary’s, Dublin, on 11th March 1731.

Marie/Mary Pelissier was born to Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy on 17th July 1714 and was baptised in Portarlington on 29th July 1714 - her godparents were Salomon de Penissiere and Catherine de Penissiere who were represented by Marc Antoine de Mezerat and by Madeleine de Thuny.   She was named in her brother Alexander Pelissier's 1777 will as Mary Letablere.

A daughter, Olympe or Olympia Pelissier, was born to Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy on 29th August 1715, and was christened in the French Church in London on 13th September 1715.  She died, aged 56, on 31st December 1770 and was buried on 2nd January 1771 in St. Patrick's, presumably in the French burial ground on Cathedral Lane.

Marianne or Mary Pelissier was born to Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy on 3rd November 1716 and was was baptised in the United French Churches of St. Patrick's and St. Mary's, Dublin, on November 19th 1716 -  the godfather was Louis de Boisragon and the godmothers were Mrs. Marianne de la Bouchetier and Miss Henriette de la Bouchetier.   The French Church of St. Patrick's and St. Mary's is located within St. Patrick's Cathedral - French service was conducted there up until 1816 when it was discontinued, the French church being subsumed into the Church of Ireland.
(Notes on the Huguenot Bouchetiere family, godparents of Marianne Pelissier:  Charles Janvre de la Bouchetiere, the son of Daniel de la Bouchetiere and Olympe Chasteignier of Poitou, left France at the Revocation, along with his wife, Marie Anne Falaisau, the daughter of Samuel Falaisau.  Related to the family of the Marquis de Ruvigny/aka Galway, he joined Galway's Regiment, before taking over the regiment when the Marquis retired;  he eventually settled in Ireland, and this family was close to the Pelissiers of Portarlington and Dublin.  Charles' daughter, Mrs. Margaret de la Bouchetiere, who had been born in 1696 in Ghent, Belgium, following her family's emigration, she died in Cuffe Street, Dublin, in 1788. Her sisters were Susanne Olimpia and Henriette who had married Cyrus de la Milliere.  Their brothers, the sons of Charles Janvre and Marie Anne de la Bouchetiere, were Lewis and Charles.  A member of this Bouchetiere family, Miss Gother de la Bouchetere and a Charlotte, were named in the 1777 will of Abel Pelissier's son, Alexander Pelissier.)

Rev. Peter Pelissier was born circa 1722 to Abel Pelissier and to Marie de Choisy, but I have found no record of his birth or baptism. He was educated by Mr. Lloyd, Dublin, and entered Trinity College, Dublin, on  July 9 1737, aged 15.
A clergyman, Peter Pelissier married Arabella Stuart/Stewart and had seven children.  Peter Pelissier and Rev. John Pelissier (Peter's brother) both witnessed deed 207-487-138073 which involved the Stewart family of Newtownstewart, Co. Tyrone. Dated 14th December 1750, William Stewart named his wife, Mary Stewart, his eldest son, John Stewart, second son Nicholas Stewart and youngest son, Charles Stewart.  His property was named as Ballykelly, Newtownstewart.

Following Arabella Stewart's death, Peter Pelissier married again, second wife being Elizabeth Steele.
Deed 337-487-227883, dated 14th May 1781, was a marriage settlement between Rev. Peter Pelissier of Dublin and Elizabeth Steele of Dublin;   £260 was to be paid to Richard Steele of Kyle, Queen's County, as Elizabeth's trustee, for the sole use of Elizabeth without the consent of her husband.   If Rev. Peter Pelissier died, then Elizabeth was to get their house in Cuffe Street, Dublin, but, upon her death, this property was to go to the heirs of Peter Pelissier. The witnesses to this deed were James Griffiths of Dublin, a gentleman, and the Dublin spinster, Anna Maria Steele.

Deed 563-449-379163, dated 31st October 1804, concerned the lands of Moyreagh, Cappage, Lisbane and Lissmore, Co. Tyrone (amongst other neighbouring places), which had been the property of Robert Stewart and his wife, Margaret Edwards, one fifth of which had been inherited by their daughter Arabella Stewart who had married Rev. Peter Pelissier (as his first wife) and whose two sons, Alexander and William (St. George) Pelissier, now had legal entitlement to their mother's portion of the property.

Rev. John Pelissier applied for a chaplaincy in Col. Brown's horse on behalf of his brother, Rev. Peter Pelissier.
Rev. Peter Pelissier was the chaplain of Colonel Peter Naizon's Regiment of Dragoons, and was living in Kildare in 1775, and King's County in 1760.  The Tithe Applotment Books for Laraghbryan, Kildare, show up a Mrs. Pallesier as a landholder there.  He also held properties in Dublin - on 28th May 1781, he leased a property in Temple Bar to James Keane (deed 341- 156-227949), and on 15th March 1787 he leased a house in Temple Bar to the cabinetmaker James Magill. (Deed 413-439-272432.)
'The Scots Magazine' of 1st June 1777 reported on commissions signed by His Majesty for the army in Ireland, and noted that Alexander George Stewart was to become the chaplain of the 13th Dragoons, replacing vice Peter Pelissier who was retiring from the position.

The son of Rev. Peter Pelissier was William St. George Pelissier, born circa 1776, whose Trinity records are: Educated by Mr. Pasley, Nov. 6 1790, aged 15. Son of the cleric, Peter.  Born Co. Kildare. BA Vern 1795,  LLB Vern 1803.
He acted as personal tutor to the Irish poet, Aubrey de Vere, before leaving his post to settle in Caernarvon, Wales.
William St. George Pelissier married Elizabeth Hautenville, the daughter of the late Rawden Hautenville of Kilternan, Co. Dublin, on 28th August 1833 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvon, Wales.
William St. George Pelissier died aged 84 on 18th June 1859 in Chepstow, Monmouthshire and his widow, Elizabeth Pelissier, died at Clifton, Bristol, aged 81 on 31st January 1869.  Her will was granted to her nephew, Rev. Rawdon William Hautenville of Walton.

A second son of Rev. Peter Pelissier was the medic, Alexander Pelissier who had been born in King’s County in 1760;  educated by Mr. Ball, he entered Trinity on June 23 1777, aged 17, and gained a BA Vern in 1782.   Alexander Pelissier of Ireland graduated in Edinburgh University with an MD in 1784.
A deed, 416-32-272597, concerned a house on French Street, ie: Little Cuffe Street, which had been leased on 24th February 1789 by Dr. Alexander Pelissier, doctor of physick, to Ann Wade, the administratrix of the late Roger Wade of Dublin.
In 1792, while acting as the Register of the College of Physicians, Alexander Pelissier lived at French Street/ Little Cuffe Street near Stephen's Green. He was also noted at Harcourt Street.
 In 1817, a will was made in Maynooth, Kildare, by Alexander Pelissier, a doctor of medicine.  This Alexander Pelissier, MD, married Miss Harriet Thompson in September 1786.   In 1818 Alexander Pelissier of Maynooth was named as a Fellow of The King's and Queen's College of Physicians in Dublin.  The same year Mrs. Pelissier of Maynooth advertised a house and garden to let in Maynooth.

The Proni e-catalogue lists a document of 31st October 1804, which is a release from Alexander Pelissier and William St. George Pelissier to Andrew Thomas Stuart, now the Earl of Castle Stewart, for £200 due to them as children of Rev. Peter Pelissier and Arabella Stuart/Stewart.

Another doctor by the name of Alexander Pelissier married Jane Segrave in 1808 - this was possibly a second marriage for Dr. Alexander Pelissier of Maynooth. On 21st November 1861, Jane, the wife of this second Dr. Pelissier of Dublin, died at 2 Westminster, Grosvenor Rd., Dublin.
Earlier in November 1846, the 'Dublin Evening Post' announced the bankruptcy of a Charles Nangle and made mention of a life insurance policy which he effected for the life of Mrs. Jane Pelissier on 29th November 1823 when she had been aged 42.  Was this Jane Pelissier, née Segrave, I wonder?
A daughter of Dr. Alexander Pelissier and Jane Segrave was Margaret Jane Pelissier who married the Scot, Mathew Morison of Rathmines, and who died on 10th December 1890 - her will was proved by her son, William McIvor Morison.

Rev. Charles Pelissier was also the son of Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy.  Not much is known about him. He was elected as a freeman of Gowran - old name Ballygaveran - in Co. Kilkenny, along with his brother, Rev. John Pelissier, on 10th August 1748.  Rev. Charles Pelissier, clerk of Dublin,  made a will in 1755.  An entry in the Trinity College records, 'Alumni Dublinenses', published in 1924, has a Charles Pellissier entering the college on 27th March 1732-33, aged 18, ie: born circa 1715, but to a nobleman/generosus by the name of John Pelissier, rather than to the soldier, Abel Pelissier. Was this a mistake on the part of the publishers, I wonder?  The only John Pelissier I've come across is Rev. John Pelissier, son of Abel Pelissier, who had been born circa 1713.

Alexander Pelissier (1701 - 1777), Dame Street and Townsend Street:
Alexander Pelissier, later a merchant of Dame Street, Dublin, was born in Portarlington to Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy on 30th August 1701 (he was their second son) and was baptised there on 14th September 1701.  His godparents were named as Alexander Rigaudie and Francoise Canche who was the second wife of the baby's grandfather, Cesar de Choisy.

Alexander Pelissier (spelt Pelesier) was admitted to the Freemen of Dublin in 1719.
Alexander Pelissier built houses on Dame Street, City Quay and three in Townsend Street, previously known by the name of Lazer's Hill.
 Alexander Pelissier, merchant, demised a house in Linnen Hall St., St. Michan's, Dublin, to fellow merchant, David Dick. (Deed 308-406-206750, registered 30th December 1775.)
He also demised land at 12 and 13 Georges Quay to the bricklayer Benjamin Pemberton on 16th October 1764. (Deed 234-216-152600.)
On 1st December 1773, he demised one of the houses he had built on Lazors Hill/Townsend Street to Richard Grace. (Deed 298-473-198420.)
'Saunders Newsletter' of 27th February 1775 noted the letting of a property on the South Strand, part of the estate of Luke Gardiner and John Bowes Benson, but now in the possession of Mr. Alexander Pelissier.
A Lucy Sterling made a lease in 1765 to Alexander Pelissier for 99 years for a plot in Hansard Street, Dublin, which in 1869 involved the frontage of house 171, 172 and 173 Great Brunswick Street - the lease expired in 1864 and the 1868 papers reported that the heir and descendant of Lucy Sterling, namely Sir Mark Anthony Tuite, was now attempting to get the properties back from Dublin Corporation who must have taken ownership at some point.

On 16th July 1732 in Dublin, merchant Alexander Pelissier, son of Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy, had married Margaret Pelletereau.  

On 7th January 1777, Alexander Pelissier, merchant of Dublin, made a will - he died, aged 76, on 14th March 1777 and was buried four days later in the Huguenot Cemetery at Merrion Row.   (A widowed Margaret Pelissier made her will in Dublin in 1781, and this was granted on 8th September 1781 - I had originally believed this Margaret to be the widow of Alexander Pelissier, but his will confirms that his wife had actually predeceased him.)

Betham's Genealogical Extracts (Find My Past)  note the7th January 1777 will of Alexander Pelissier. A merchant of Dublin, he named his sisters as Mary Letablere and Olympia Pelissier. His brother was Peter Pelissier and his nephew was Peter's son Alexander.  His natural son was Francis Pelissier, who follows, who was married to Elizabeth Honor.   He named Robert Pelissier as the eldest son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honor;  other children of this couple were named as Alexander and Jane Pelissier.    His late wife's nephew was Mr. Mathew Pelletreau Collins of the town of St. Troy, France.  Mr. Simon Meymae was the husband of the mother of the same, ie, of Mathew Pelletreau Collins.

The 1777 will of merchant Alexander Pelissier, son of Abel Pelissier and Marie de Choisy, was also published in the papers later by his great-grandson, Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel, and this held more detail than the Betham version.

'By will, dated 1777, in Dublin.... Alexander, mentions in his will Francis Pelletran, of Rochefort, and Mathew, of same place, and Miss Gother de la Bouchetere, and her Iliater, Charlotte, and Mathew Peletran Collins, of the town of St. Foy, in France, and Simon Meymao, of same place ; and to a jeweller in Paris he left a token of his esteem. To those and several others he left some token ; appointing his friends, Alexander and Samuel Mangin, his executors....'

The Bouchetiere family I've already discussed above. The Francis Pelletran, Mathew Pelletran and Mathew Peletran Collins were wrongly transcribed from the original will.  They were French members of the Pelletreau or Pelletrau family. Obviously, the Pelissier family at this time kept up close contact with their French relations.
The Pelletrau family also settled in Dublin -  the widow of Daniel Pelletreau, Mary Ann Pelletrau of Dublin,  née Beschofer, made her will on 20th November 1758, and named her son and heir as Rev. James or Jacques Pelletrau, who had been appointed to the French Church in Peter Street, Dublin, in 1741.  On 24th November 1742, he married Susanna de la Bouchetiere and had Charles Alexander Pelletreau in March 1743 who graduated from Trinity in 1764, Henriettea Pelletreau in June 1745, and James Alexander Pelletreau in January 1752.
Rev. James Pelletreau died on 27th February 1781.
As for the Pelletraus mentioned in Alexander Pelissier's 1777 will,  a Mathieu Collineau-Pelletrau (not Mathew Pelletran Collins) was named in 1778 as a resident of Sainte-Foy in Perigord near Bergerac.  He was also named in the records of the times as owning a sugar plantation in Haiti. The jeweller of Paris who was also mentioned in the will, was probably Mathieu-Jeremie Collineau-Pelletrau, living in 1784 in the Quai des Orfevre, Paris, who was goldsmith to Marie-Antoinette.

Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner:
The son of Alexander Pelissier and Margaret Pelletereau was Francis Pelissier (named after Francis Pelletreau?) who married Elizabeth Honner of the Queen's County, and who settled as a merchant in Townsend St., Dublin, presumably living in one of the properties built by his father.

Francis Pelissier, shearman, became a Freeman of Dublin in 1753 and was admitted automatically as the son of an earlier member, ie,his father Alexander, who had earlier been admitted as a draper in 1719, and it's interesting to see that the Pelissier family were dealing in fabric, an industry much associated with the French Huguenots of the time.

Deed 318-151-212855 noted that a Francis Pellisior (sic), Dublin gent, clerk to Messrs. John Dawson & Co., Dublin merchants, witnessed the deed of  the working milliner, Elizabeth Forward, otherwise Smyth, in June 1777.

From 'Saunders Newsletter' of 21st June 1777, the  year of his father's death, we learn of the sale, by virtue of a writ of Fieri Facias, of the furniture of Francis Pelissier at his house at The Folly, at the lower end of Lazer's Hill - modern name Townsend Street - along with two cows, a horse, hay, and his interest in three houses at The Folly, and interest in a house at the corner of Crown Alley, Dame Street, in which Andrew Callage, woollen draper, lately lived.   (Fieri Facias being a writ authorising the sheriff to sell off a person's goods in order to settle his debts.)

Also, on 6th and 7th June 1777, Francis Pelissier leased a property on Lazer's Hill to the apothecary William Lionel Jenkins. (Deed 319-222-212333.)
Deed 455-38-291166 dealt with the lease of a property on 9th June 1792 on Townsend Street/Lazer's Hill to the painter Richard Hand.  This was witnessed by the builder George Doolittle.

In September 1778, Mrs. Pelissier of Lazer's Hill was letting a large new house with coachhouse, stable and loft, along with conveniences for brewing, at the lower end of Lazer's Hill, commonly called the Folly. She lived next door to No. 41 which she also wished to let.

Francis Pelissier,son of the Dublin merchant Alexander Pelissier, married Elizabeth Honner of (Trummera?) Laois/Queen's County, and the couple had six known children - Francis Pelissier, Alexander Pelissier  and Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street. They also had three daughters, Jane Pelissier, later Jane Wade, Anne Dorcas Pelissier and one other.

Francis Pelissier Junior, son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner of Lazer's Hill/Townsend Street, was admitted as the son of a shearman in 1798.  I know little about the younger Francis - he may have been the Francis Pallisier who was married to Sarah, and who had a son, also Francis Pelissier, who was born on 18th December 1818 in Meath Street.  The youngest Francis Pelissier, born in 1818 in Meath St, possibly had a son, yet another Francis Pelissier, a plumber, whose daughter, Sarah Ellen Pelissier, married the teacher John Hanlon on 20th May 1848 in Belfast. Their son, William Palissier O'Hanlon settled in England where he married Letitia Marsh. Their daughter was Anne Teresa Hanlon, born in Limerick on 14th February 1866.
A Robert Pelissier married Anne Mary or Mary Anne Fleming, and also lived in Meath Street where son, Joseph Pallisier, was born in 31st March 1832 or 1833.  The Irish Prison Registers note the imprisonment of a Robert Pallisier of 27 Bishop Street for failure to support his wife - he had been born circa 1803 in New Street, Dublin, New Street being in the same area - the Liberties - in Dublin as Meath Street.
Earlier, in 1801, another Robert Pelissier was buried in the same church of St. Marks, Dublin.
A Robert Pallissier of South Georges Street was admitted to the Dublin Freemen on 17th August 1842 by birth, being the son of a Francis Pallissier who had been admitted in Midsummer 1802.
The descendant of Sarah Ellen Pelissier and John Hanlon, Rachel Parry, is researching the family of Francis Pelissier, and kindly shared much of her info with me.
A Robert Pelissier was noted on the 1851 census for Dublin living in Great Ship Street.

A Jane Brown, née Pelissier, the daughter of a Francis Pelissier, married John McCormick, the son of Henry McCormick, in Limerick city on 28th December 1858.

Proni in Belfast hold the Pelissier papers which date from 1777 - 1866, and which were in the possession of the Pelissier family lawyer.  These were consulted recently by fellow researcher, Rachel Parry, who can confirm that Anne Dorcas Pelissier was the 3rd daughter of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner.  Her father, Francis Pelissier of Townsend Street, had become the executor of his father, Alexander Pelissier's will following the death of the original executors, the Mangins. Francis Pelissier renewed the original leases on the three Townsend properties, and collected the rents on behalf of his children.  Following the death of Francis Pelissier at Digges Lane, Dublin, in 1801, the estate was managed by his widow, Elizabeth, née Honnor, until her death in 1808 when her son, Robert Pelissier, took over.  
The son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honnor was the disgraced Alexander Pelissier, who killed an Englishman during the Rebellion of 1798 and who escaped to the East Indies where he died.   His sister, Anne Dorcas Pelissier, made an attempt to collect rent she believed to be due to her absent brother, Alexander, and entered the property - the wine business of a Bernard Martin - with the intention of seizing goods to the value of the rent owing.   Bernard Martin subsequently sued her for trespass, claiming that he was now the legal owner of the premises, but Anne Dorcas Pelissier eventually won her case in 1866 when her sister, Jane Wade, verified their parents' signatures on  the rent books.   Anne Dorcas Pelissier also complained that her lawyer, George Doolittle, was both a stranger to Dublin and incompetent.  A George Doolittle was also mentioned in the following deed of 1798 but was named as a carpenter rather than as a lawyer.

A deed (413-557-272876), dated 21st November 1798, detailed the leasing of one of the three Townsend Street houses, which had originally been built by merchant Alexander Pelissier, to the Dublin carpenter George Doolittle.   The parties to the deed were Elizabeth Pelissier, wife of Francis Pelissier, late of Dublin City, Gentleman, George Doolittle of Dublin, carpenter, and Robert Pelissier, who was the son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner.
There was no mention given of the whereabouts of Francis Pelissier in 1798, but he was known to have died in Diggs Lane in 1801;  his widow, Elizabeth Pelissier, née Honnor, died in 1808.

Francis Pelissier of Townsend Street ran a silk manufactory at 8 Wormwood Gate near Bridge Street, but, following his death in 1801 in Digges Lane, the business had to be sold off to settle his debts. 'Saunders Newsletter' of 25th March 1806 advertised the sale of his stock - fabric, sewing silks, bobbins, riband machine, counters, drawers etc - which was being put up for auction on 26th March 1806 by his trustees, J. Williamson and R. Atkinson of Fleet Street.  The following month, the paper announced a meeting of the creditors of Francis Pallissier at the Royal Exchange Coffee Rooms.
A later edition of the paper on 21st October 1806 announced that the trustees were making a final dividend of the estate, and were also selling two elegant mahogany counters and a complete sash door.

Lieutenant Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street.
Robert Pelissier, merchant of Townsend Street, son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner, was married to a woman named Anne - although the Marriage Licences of Cashel and Emly show up a marriage between a Robert Pelessier and Margaret Spanner in 1786, a current descendant of this family has identified the wife of Robert Pelissier as Anne Mannon.

Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street had been a lieutenant in the navy - when his daughter Anne Dorcas Pelissier married Henry Finch in Clonmel, the marriage notice in the 'Dublin Weekly Register' of 14th April 1836 named the bride as Anne, the daughter of Lieutenant Palissier, late of the City of Dublin.
Robert Pelissier was believed to have organised the escape of his disgraced brother, Alexander Pelissier, to the East Indies in 1798, following his murder of a British soldier during the United Irishmens' rebellion.

Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street made his will in 1833.

The son of Robert Pelissier and Anne Mannon was Alexander Bryan Pelissier, of Townsend Street, who was baptised in St. Mark’s, Dublin, by Robert and Anne Pelissier in September 1810 and who settled later as a merchant in Clonmel, Co. Tipperary/Co. Waterford.
In June 1813,  a Robert Pelissier, of Townsend Street, was also baptised there by Robert and Anne.
A daughter of Robert Pelissier and Anne Mannon of Townsend Street was  Anne (Dorcas) Pelissier, born circa 1821 and named after her paternal aunt - the younger Anne Dorcas Pelissier married the engineer Henry Finch (born Kent, 1816) in St. Mary's, Clonmel, on 9th April 1836 - this was witnessed by her brother, Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel, who was also the son of Robert and Anne Pelissier of Townsend Street.  There were three other witnesses to the marriage -  somebody Fullerton, Henry Townsend and Daniel Fitzpatrick.
The marriage notice in the 'Dublin Weekly Register' of 14th April 1836 named the bride as Anne, the daughter of Lieutenant Palissier, late of the City of Dublin.

Anne Dorcas Finch, née Pelissier, gave birth to a daughter at Grenane Cottage on 16th November 1838; she was noted as the wife of Henry Finch Esq. of the Royal Engineer Department.   In 1841 Henry and Anne Dorcas Finch were living at the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, Kent, England.   They had three daughters with them - Elizabeth L.A. Finch, born circa 1837, Sarah A. Finch, born circa 1839 and an infant of 3 months. She was Ada Jane Maundrell Finch, who had been born on 17th June 1841 in Woolwich, and who would later marry twice in Australia, first to Giacomo Cagarotti in Ballarat on 6th October 1857, and secondly to William Jones on 16th December 1871 in Castlemaine, Victoria. This from the internet.

Henry Finch (1816 - May 1851), Clerk of Works, died at his Clonmel residence in May 1851, and his will was proved by his brother-in-law, Alexander Pallessier, farmer of Clonmel, on 31st July 1851.  The will states that he was from Walmer, Kent, England, and that he was the son of an earlier Henry Finch.  Henry left everything he owned to his widow, Anne, and made no mention of any surviving children.

Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel (1810 - 1893):
Alexander Pelissier, the son of Lieutenant Robert Pelissier and Anne Mannon of Townsend St, settled as a merchant in Clonmel on the Tipperary/Waterford border.  Griffiths Valuation of the 1850s showed that he was still the owner of the family property on Townsend Street in Dublin.

On 24th April 1870, Alexander Pelissier of Gibbet Hill, Waterford, was convicted for not having a dog licence.

Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel was aware of the Pelissier family story of a disgraced uncle, believed to be Alexander Pelissier of Limerick or Kilkenny, who killed a soldier during the 1798 rebellion, and who subsequently fled Ireland, probably helped by his brother, Lieutenant Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street.

The first mention of the Pelissier family of Clonmel, Tipperary, occurs in a 1855 issue of the English publication, Punch. This magazine was renowned in the Victorian era for its racist attitude towards the Irish, which explains the slight air of contempt towards the end of the piece:
   ‘A Slice of Bull Beef - The Irish paper called The Nation has published a letter which is truly national.  The writer is Mr. Alexander Pelissier of Mastfield, Clonmel, and the object of his communication, says the Dublin correspondant of The Times, “is to prove that there can be no mistake with regard to the Irish descent of the conqueror of Sebastopol.”
   ‘Which fact the Hibernian Pelissier proves thus:  “All the family, he says, is originally Huguenot.  Alexander Pelissier, Peter and John, with two sisters, escaping from the persecution, settled in Dublin.”
    ‘So that Irish descent is identical with French extraction;  and Paddywhack Pelissier originally came from France - no doubt with his coat nately buttoned behind him...’

Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel was alluding to Aimable Jean Jacques Pelissier, one of the French commanders at Sebastopol during the Crimean war, but this is slightly fanciful, given that the soldier was from Rouen, and the Irish Pelissier family from Castres in the south.  However, the Spectator newspaper of  6 Oct 1855 continued the argument, and Alexander Pelissier of Mastfield, Clonmel provides excellent genealogical information, much of which I've discussed above.  Be warned, however, information can pass down through the generations of a family like a game of Chinese Whispers, and should never be taken as literal fact!  I've found nothing to suggest that the French Marshall Pelissier was a relation of this Irish Pelissier family, but Alexander's story about a rebel uncle has turned out to be accurate.

'The claim of Ireland to Marshal Pelissier has now assumed a more definite shape, and the Nation of Saturday publishes the following letter from an Irish gentleman, who, if his genealogical surmises be correct, must be the first cousin of the Crimean warrior.

"Hartfield, Clonmel, Sept. 20. " Sir—I observe that you take an interest in claiming Marshal Pelissier as of Irish descent. Allow me to offer you a little information on the subject. 
The family is originally Huguenot.  Alexander Pelissier, Peter, and John, with their two sisters, Olimpia and Letebella, escaping from the persecution, settled in Dublin.  Alexander, and, I think, Peter, carried on the wine business in the house afterwards occupied by Andrew Callege woollen- draper, in Dame Street;  which house, one on City Quay, and three in Townsend Street,- Alexander built.  

This Alexander had one son, Francis, who was married to Elizabeth Honner, of the Queen's County ; by whom he had three sons and two daughters.  Robert, the eldest, was my father ; and Alexander, the next, I have good reason to believe, was father to Marshal Pelissier.  His sister, Jane Pelissier, (my aunt,) often told me that she did not like to mention Alexander's name, as he fought against the English, was a United Irishman, went away when young, and was never seen but for a short interview on board a vessel by my father. 
His grandfather (ie Francis Pelissier of Townsend St) left the house in Lalor's Hill (now Townsend Street) to Robert, Alexander, and Jane; and, in consequence of my father, Robert, and Jane not being able to ascertain his death, it was only when I came of age that any rent could be recovered out of the one left to Alexander, who never made any claim. If Marshal Pelissier's father was from Dublin, he must have descended from either Alexander or Peter. The latter had a son, also called Alexander, and I think was a doctor, but I never heard that any of the family went abroad. They all spelled their name Pelissier, and were the only family of the name in the United Kingdom that I ever heard of. 
There is a family of the Pallisers of this county (Tipperary), but no way related, although coming from France—I believe from the same cause. Alexander Pellisier would have been of great service in '98, from having many friends and relatives living in France, who kept up an intercourse with the family.

• By will, dated 1777, in Dublin.  His grandfather, Alexander, mentions in his will Francis Pelletran, of Rochefort, and Mathew, of same place, and Miss Gother de la Bouchetere, and her Iliater, Charlotte, and Mathew Peletran Collins, of the town of St. Foy, in France, and Simon Meymao, of same place ; and to a jeweller in Paris he left a token of his esteem. To those and several others he left some token ; appointing his friends, Alexander and Samuel Mangin, his executors. I give you the foregoing that you may, perhaps, be better able hereafter to clear up the disputed point. If the Marshal's father's name was Alexander, it will be strong proof of his being the same person that I speak of; but if he be from Dublin, he must be descended from either of the brothers Alexander or Peter, as the doctor, John Pelissier, never married, or at least had no children ; and of Francis Pelissier's descendants the writer is the last. I ought to have mentioned, that my father was the very opposite in politics to his brother Alexander ; which might, perhaps, account for his not hearing from him. "I am, Sir, your very humble servant, ALEXANDER PELISSIER. IRELAND.' "

The rumours persisted.  The 'Tralee Chronicle' of 22nd June 1855 published an anonymous letter with further detail:   'General Pellissier, the Son of an Irishman....about the year 1797 - 1798 (as I am credibly informed by an aged Limerick United Irishman) a gentleman named Pallisser (sic), who resided in the city of Limerick, became deeply involved in the "united business", and with great difficulty escaped from Kinsale to Ostend, thence to France, where he settled down as a French citizen, married a beautiful Norman maid, and became the father of seven children, of whom the present Commander-in-Chief of the French Army in the Crimea is the eldest.  My informant adds, that he has seen several letters of Mr. Palliser, and that he told Napper Tandy in Paris, he had some presentiment....that a son of his would....be leading the legions of France against the enemies of religious liberty and civilization...I have known myself, many years ago, a Limerick gentleman named Wallplate...who corresponded in 1809 - 1810 with this Palliser...Mr. Palliser was a Protestant as were also the Pelissiers of Limerick and Wexford some sixty years ago....'

Could there be any truth at all in the rumour that the Irish Alexander Pelissier, son of Francis Pelissier and Elizabeth Honner, was the father of  the French Crimean military hero, Aimable Jean-Jacques Pelissier, Duc de Malakoff?  Using Geneanet's excellent library of old books, I pieced together what is known of his ancestry, but have found little to point towards Irish family roots, other than a publication of 1877, "The History of Russia from Earliest Times to 1880" which stated that Aimable Jean-Jacques Pelissier was of an Irish family long settled in France.

The known facts are that Duc de Malakoff had been born in Maromme, near Rouen, on 6th November 1794.  The official registrations details of his birth are held by the French national archives;  being the time of the revolution, his father was referred to as Citizen Pierre Pelissier, controller of saltpeter and gunpowder, aged 21.  Aimable's mother was Catherine Chartier.
"L'Indicateur de Bayeux' claimed that Aimable Jean-Jacques Pelissier had been baptised 2 years after his birth.  His godmother was named as his grandmother, Elizabeth Richard, widow of the late Jean-Jacques Pelissier, a farmer of Colmar.
The Duc de Malakoff's father, Pierre Pelissier, was believed to have had his origins in Montauban, near Toulouse and Castres in the south east of the country.  He was born either in Montauban itself, or in one of the small villages in the area, on 24th December 1773. As a young man, he had studied architecture in Paris, before taking up a post as the commissioner for the control of saltpeter and gunpowder.  Obviously, this doesn't tally with the Irish Pelissier family story, since the disgraced Alexander Pelissier was supposed to have fled Ireland at the height of the 1798 rebellion, 25 years after the birth of the Duc de Malakoff's father.    Pierre Pelissier had been born in 1773 in Montauban to Jean-Jacques Pelissier and to Elizabeth Richard.  If there was any truth to the Irish story, then perhaps it was this Jean-Jacques Pelissier of Montauban who had fled Ireland at some stage, along with his wife, Elizabeth Richard, who has a suspiciously Anglo name.

Pierre Pelissier worked later in Colmar where he was injured during an explosion at the gunpowder stores in 1822. His daughter, Aglae, lost an arm in the same incident.  Pierre Pelissier and Catherine Chartier had earlier lived in Brussels where some of the Pelissier family were born:
Jean-Pierre Pelissier in 1796.
Philibert Pelissier in 1798
Joseph Pelissier in 1799.
Flavie, born 1800.
Amedee Francois Pelissier in 1802.
Aglae Flavia in 1806.
Auguste Claire Flavien, date unknown.
Etienne Pelissier in 1794
Simon Joseph Pelissier in 1795
Antoine Pelissier in 1811.

Another child of Pierre and Catherine Pelissier was known to be Philippe-Xavier Pelissier, born circa 1812, who joined the marines and who died in the 1880s.
Daughter Aglae Flavia Pelissier, who had lost an arm in the 1822 explosion, married the Swiss schoolmaster, Francois Giboin Ducheylard in 1841. Their daughter, baptised in Paris on 21st June 1842, was Marie Catherine Elisabeth Ducheylard, aka Betsey Ducheylard, who married Pierre Cresty on 12th October 1859 at l'Oratoire in Paris.  The use of the name 'Betsey' is strange here, given it's Anglo flavour, and might refer back to Aglae Flavia Pelissier's mother, Elizabeth Richard.
Another daughter, Flavie Pelissier, married Alexandre Dupont.

Late in life, the Duke of Malakoff, Aimable Jean-Jacques Pelissier,  married the younger Maria Isabel Sophice Andrea Francisca de Paula Valera on 12th October 1858, a match which had been arranged by the Empress.   Maria was the daughter of a Spanish noble, Jose-Valera, Marquis of Paniega.  The couple lived on the Champs Elysee.  Aimable Jean-Jacques Pelissier died in 1864.
A daughter was Louise Eugenie Sophie Elisabeth, born in Paris on 4th March 1860;  she went on to marry a Polish noble,  Count Jean-Ladislaw Zamoyski, but the marriage was annulled later.


Alexander Pelissier of Clonmel, grandfather of Adelina Maude Pelissier, and son of Robert Pelissier of Townsend Street, and who contributed his family genealogy to the Spectator newspaper in 1855, was well-documented.
Alexander Pelissier, of Clonmel, Tipperary, a gentleman and freeman, had been registered to vote since 1832.
Griffiths Valuation of 1854 shows Alexander Pelissier of Townsend Street, Clonmel, leasing a house - No. 99 - to Patrick Mullhall;  he was also leasing No. 101 to John Crothers.  (Perhaps this should read 'of Townsend Street and of Clonmel'?)
The Valuation of 1850 shows Alexander Palliser leasing 20 acres of farmland in the town land of Glenavad in rural Clonmel, Co. Waterford, from John Bagwell, and a separate 22 acres from the same man in the townland of Scrothea, Clonmel.
The Landed Estate Courts also mention Alexander Pelissier in 1853 in Scrouthea East and West, Waterford.  Robert Hogan, the representative of Alexander Pelissier,  was the tenant on a farm of 11 acres there - the lease had been taken out on 14th March 1853 by Alexander Pelissier for 150 years.  Later, in 1860, the Landed Estate Courts mention that the previous farm at Scrouthea, Clonmel had been ‘demised’ to Hogan; there was no mention of Alexander Pelissier.

Alexander Pelissier, of Greenbank, Co. Waterford, gentleman, died 18th May 1893, and his will was granted to the merchant, son Robert Shaw Pelissier.

Alexander's wife was the Quaker, Elizabeth Shaw, who had been born in Cahir on 7th July 1806 and who died aged 90 at Grace Dieu, Waterford, on 3rd January 1891.
Although they get the name of the groom wrong, The 'Waterford Conservative' of 5th November 1834 recorded their marriage -  'At Rathronan Church, Mr. E.Palliser to Elizabeth, daughter of the late James Shaw of Clonmel.'    Rathnonan Church is about three miles north of Clonmel.   One of the children of Alexander Pelissier and Elizabeth Shaw was named as James Shaw Pelissier, in honour of Elizabeth's father, while their oldest son was named as Robert Shaw Pelissier.

Notes on the Shaw Family:
The Quaker records, which are wonderfully comprehensive, are available to view online courtesy of Find My Past, and these document the Shaw family in great detail.  Elizabeth Shaw, daughter of James Shaw and Elizabeth Walsh, was unceremoniously kicked out of the Society of Friends on 25th February 1835 following her marriage to Alexander Pelissier who was Church of Ireland.

The Quaker records noted the marriage of James Shaw, son of the late Jonas Shaw of Mountmellick, Queen's County, to Elizabeth Walsh, daughter of Denis Walsh of Cork, in Clonmel on 9th June 1803.

 James Shaw, had become a Quaker by certificate on 10th August 1818, along with his wife, Elizabeth Walsh.  Later records in the Quaker archives name their children as Jane Shaw (born Clonmel 13th June 1804; died near Clonmel 28th March 1836),  Elizabeth Shaw (7th July 1806 - 1891) who married Alexander Pelissier in 1834;  Sarah Shaw (born Cahir 16th August 1808); Jonas Shaw (born Cahir  13th August 1810, died 8th July 1844); Richard Shaw (born Cahir 7th March 1811 and died 11th March 1812); Thomas Shaw (born Cahir 21st March 1815, died Clonmel 21st November 1829); Hannah Shaw (born Cahir 23rd April 1816);  Mary Anne Shaw (born Waterford 20th July 1817, died 18th July 1818); Edward Shaw (born Waterford 17th March 1817).
James and Elizabeth Shaw moved their family from Tipperary to Waterford in 1818 and returned in 1824.
The Landed Estates Court Rentals mention the lease of a premises on Main Street, Clonmel, which had been taken out on 31st October 1838 by the representatives of Henry Streene for the three lives of Alexander Pelissier, Jonas Shaw and Edward Shaw, the last two being the brothers of Elizabeth Pelissier, née Shaw.
Edward Shaw of Dungarvan, also the son of James Shaw and Elizabeth Walsh, married in January 1858 in Clonmel, Marianne Harvey, the daughter of William John Harvey - Marianne Harvey's brother was Charles Albert Harvey who married Sarah Irvine Jones, the sister of Hannah Jones who married Edward Pelissier, son of Alexander Pelissier and Elizabeth Shaw.
Jonas Shaw, son of James Shaw and Elizabeth Walsh, wrote to the Clonmel Friends in May 1836 to resign his membership, wanting instead to enter the wine and spirit trade, a profession which went against Quaker principles.  Jonas Shaw married Miss Jane Hughes in March 1844 in St. Mary's, Clonmel.  The widowed Jane Shaw, relict of the late Jonas Shaw of Clonmel, married, secondly, John Blair of the Inland Revenue Department, Waterford, on 10th October 1854 in Duisberg, Prussia.  Jonas Shaw, a freeman of Clonmel, was still alive in 1837 when his address was noted as Gordon Street, Clonmel, by the Fictitious Votes enquiry.    The following year, a new house named Suirmount Villa, in possession of Jonas Shaw, was being let near Clonmel, Co. Waterford.

The 'Waterford Mail' of 27th October 1824 announced the death in Clonmel of '...Mr. James Shaw, Society of Friends...'       The Quaker archives note that he had died, aged 46 on 24th August 1824 and that, at the time of his death, he was a clerk to David Malcolmson & Son.  He was named as the son of Jonas Shaw.   James' wife, Elizabeth Shaw, moved to Youghal, Co. Cork, with her two daughters, Sarah and Hannah Shaw, in 1841, but she later died at Oakland, Clonmel, on 9th July 1854.

James Shaw's father, Jonas Shaw of Mountmellick, son of George Shaw of Dryna/Drina, married Sarah Smith, the daughter of Thomas Smith of Old Mill, on 4th February 1776.  Present at this Quaker marriage were other Shaws - Joseph, Thomas, Samuel, Moses and James.  
The children of Jonas Shaw and Elizabeth Smith were Elizabeth Shaw (born 13th May 1777, who married Mr. Fletcher in 1799), Thomas Shaw (born 6th April 1780), Sarah Shaw (born 1st September 1782), Esther Shaw (born 4th August 1787), Susanna Shaw (born 8th November 1790), Jonas Shaw (born 16th November 1793) and James Shaw (born circa 1778, died 1824 and who married Elizabeth Walsh.)  James Shaw wasn't mentioned in the list of children for Jonas Shaw and Sarah Smith, but the Quaker records named James Shaw as the son of the late Jonas Shaw of Mountmellick when he married Elizabeth Walsh in Clonmel in 1803 - a Jonas Shaw was buried in Edenderry in 1802 and might  be the father of James Shaw.

Jonas Shaw of Mountmellick had been born in 1745 to Esther and George Shaw of Gurroon, Mountmellick, while his wife, Sarah Smith, had been born on 7th May 1752 to Thomas and Sarah Smith of Old Mill near Mountmellick.
Jonas Shaw's father, George Shaw, was the son of Joseph Shaw of Dublin.  George Shaw married Esther Neal, the daughter of John Neal of Drina, Queen's County, on 14th November 1729.  George Shaw died on 18th January 1774.   A Joseph Shaw, named in the records as 'an ancient friend'  was buried in the Friends' Burying Ground in Cork Street in the Dublin Liberties on 25th January 1740.

(A Jonas Shaw, also a Quaker, died at Forest, near Dublin, aged 81, in February 1845.  I also came across a reference to a Quaker Jonas Shaw, probably the man just mentioned, who was supposedly flogged in Dublin Castle by Lord Kingborough's orders during the time of the 1798 rebellion. Whether this older Jonas Shaw of Dublin was related to the Shaws of Mountmellick, is unclear, or purely a coincidence.)

The known children of Alexander Pelissier and Elizabeth Shaw of Clonmel were:

a) Robert Shaw Pelissier (1838 - 1920).
b) Edward Pelissier (April 1844 - 28th February 1928)  father of our Adelina Maude Pelissier, was baptised by the accountant Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier in St. Mary's, Clonmel, on 10th Aptil 1844.
c)  James Shaw Pelissier (1842 - 1876) of Cappagh, Kilrush, Co Clare.
d)  Bessie Jane Pelissier who married William John Russell in Dublin in 1866.
e) The faded register of St. Mary's in Clonmel also shows up a son, Henry Finch Pelissier, who was baptised there on 22nd September 1850 by Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier, but he seems to have died young.  He had been named after the Henry Finch who married his aunt, Anne Pelissier, in Clonmel on 9th April 1836.

The 'Tipperary Free Press' of 11th November 1837 noted that, on Thursday morning, Mrs. A. Peallissier had had a son at Grenane Cottage.
The 'Southern Reporter' of 25th November 1839 noted that Mrs. A. Palassier of Grenane Cottage had given birth to twin daughters.   Alexander Pelissier's sister, Dorcas Finch, lived at Grenane Cottage with her husband, Henry Finch, at this time.

Bessie Jane Pelissier, only daughter of Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier:
Daughter Bessie Jane Pelissier married William John Russell of 66 Mountjoy Square, Dublin, the son of Bartholomew Campbell Russell of Rhameskey or Rhaniskey, Co. Dublin, on 4th March 1866.   The wedding took place in Waterford Cathedral.

William John Russell and Bessie Pelissier had a daughter, Alexandra Elizabeth Russell, at 66 Mountjoy Square, on 10th March 1867.  Bessie died shortly afterwards, and William John Russell remarried.  Daughter Alexandra Elizabeth Russell went on to marry in 1894 in Dublin, Lieutenant Henry Bruce Wroughton of the Royal Navy, who had been born in 1855 in the East Indies to General Robert C. Wroughton of Killundine, Oban, Scotland - Henry Bruce Wroughton would die in Tonbridge, Kent, on 6th September 1916.  His wife died childless, aged 101, on 13th October 1968 at 'Adams Cottage', Lydd, Ashford, Kent.
(William John Russell who had married Bessie Jane Pelissier on 4th March 1866, was the son of the Dubliners, Bartholomew Campbell Russell and Jane Connell, who lived at Rhaniskey/Rhameskey, Newcastle, Co. Dublin, where Bartholomew would die, aged 83, on 24th September 1874.  William John Russell settled in Mountjoy Square in Dublin where he married his first wife, Elizabeth Amelia Fagan, on 12th February 1850.  She was the daughter of Catholic lawyer Michael Joseph Fagan of 4 Summerhill who was the eldest son of gentleman Patrick Fegan of Portrishen, Carlow.
William John Russell and Elizabeth Amelia Fagan had Jane Louisa Maria Russell, aka Leila, in 1853 - Leila Russell would marry Thomas Sommers Blackwell of Borrisokane, Tipperary, son of Richard Blackwell of New South Wales, Australia.  Leila and Thomas S. Blackwell went on to have a large family in Borrisokane.  Their daughter, Annie Blackwell married, on 1st October 1899, Lieutenant Quentin Charles Alexander Craufurd of the Royal Navy who went on to become the 6th Baronet Craufurd of Bilbirney, Ayrshire.  Another daughter, Leila Blackwell, married in 1904 William Alexander Victor Findlater, the son of William Huffinton Findlater and Marion Park of Fitzwilliam Square.
Following the death of his first wife, Elizabeth Amelia Fagan, William John Russell had a brief marriage to Bessie Jane Pelissier who also died, before he married a third woman, Elizabeth Hollwey, the daughter of a Dublin shipbuilder, John Hollwey.  They had two daughters, Elizabeth Russell on 2nd November 1877, and Ada St. Clair Russell on 15th January 1876, who never married. Her middle name is interesing, since Edward Pelissier and Hannah Jones would later christen a daughter as Louise St. Clair Pelissier in 1888 - this name of St. Clair is not common in Ireland, and I wonder why both strands of the family chose to use it.
William John Russell, who had been born in Dublin on 25th November 1818, died at his home of Ballinderry Park, Tipperary, on 22nd April 1909 - his will was proved by another member of the Russell family, Major George Blakely Russell who had been born in 1860 in Dublin and who might be a close relation.)

James Pelissier (1842 - 1876) of Cappagh, Kilrush, son of Alexander Pelissier and Elizabeth of Clonmel, married Jemima Smith, the daughter of the Kilrush hotelier Captain James Smith, in 1869, and had two daughters - Grace Wiles Pelissier in Cappagh on 21st March 1873, and Elizabeth Pelissier on 21st March 1875.
An agent, James Pelissier of Kilrush died in Queenstown, Cork, on 13th October 1876.  His widow, Jemima Pelissier, née Smith, married Henry George Supple of Kilrush in Rathmines, Co. Dublin, on 25th February 1880.  One of the witnesses was Hannah Pelissier, née Jones, who was the mother of our Adelina Maude Pelissier and wife of Edward Pelissier.
Both daughters of James and Jemima Pelissier, Grace and Bessie Pelissier, attended the Royal Irish Academy of Music where they won numerous prizes for singing in the 1890s.  Following this they both toured England as actresses and singers, but Grace Wiles Pelissier, died on 17th December 1907 at 112 Merton Road, Wimbledon, UK.
Her mother, Jemima Supple, née Smith, died at Main Street, Tipperary, on 21st December 1932.

Robert Shaw Pelissier (1838 - 1920), had been born in Clonmel to railway official Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier, and operated as a chemist in the town.
Robert Shaw Pelissier married Margaret Harvey on January 23rd 1872 in Dungarvan. Margaret Harvey was the youngest daughter of the late William John Harvey, a baker of Clonmel, and of Margaret Baker of Dungarvan, Co. Waterford.  The witnesses at the wedding in 1872 were John H. Harvey and George Fitzmaurice.
Robert Shaw Pelissier died, aged 82,  at 28 Irishtown, Clonmel, on 28th July 1920, with probate granted to his daughter, the unmarried Alice Maud Pelissier who would marry Henry Brownrigg on 15th September 1920.

The children of Robert Shaw Pelissier and Margaret Harvey were:

a) William Harvey Pelissier, born 10th February 1873 at Richmond Place, Clonmel; a composer, he was educated at Midleton College, Cork, and Trinity, Dublin.

b) Eva Jane Pelissier born 15th June 1874 at Richmond Place, Clonmel,

c) Helen Mary Pelissier (born at Richmond Place on 16th July 1876 - 1887).

d) Laura Pelissier born 1875.

e) Alice Maude Pelissier, born at Richmond Place on 10th October 1875.  Alice Maude Pelissier of Irishtown, Clonmel, married a chemist, Henry Brownrigg of Moira, Co. Down, the son of a doctor, Thomas Henry Brownrigg, The marriage took place in Clonmel on 15th September 1920.

f)  Edward Charles Pelissier, born on 9th August 1880 at Woodview, Marlfield,Clonmel, who married Helen Beatrice Mooney on 18th June 1908 in St. Matthew's, Dublin.  In 1908 Edward Charles was living at 21 North Frederick Street. His bride, Helen Beatrice Mooney was the daughter of Arthur Lucas Mooney of 51 Sandymount Road. assistant registrar in the registry of deeds. The wedding witnesses were Robert Shaw Pelissier, Helen Mooney and Frederick Parker.

The couple had a daughter, Helen Margaret Pelissier, at 21 North Frederick Street on 7th March 1909.

A dentist, Edward Charles Pelissier died in a road traffic accident  - following a family trip to visit Poulaphouca in the Dublin mountains, his car collided with a tram.  He died on 5th May 1912, aged 31, and was buried in Mount Jerome in the burial plot of his wife's family:
    'In memory of John Hill Mooney, son of the late William Mooney, Esq., of Upper Rathmines, died 15th November 1898, aged 54, and Edward Charles Pelissier, L.D.S.  R.C.S.I., of 9 Rutland Square East, died 5th May 1912, aged 31.  Ellen Maria Neale, relict of Alfred Neale, Coolrain, Queens Co., died 16th January 1915, aged 85, and Arthur Lucas Mooney, 51 Sandymount Road, died November 12th 1922, aged 72, and Helen Martha Mooney, wife of above, died 10th December 1935, aged 76.'


On 8th December 1913 in the Registry Office, the widowed Helen Beatrice Pelissier, née Mooney, of Albert House, Dollymount, married Frank Thomas Collins, a bank official of 12 Windsor Road, Rathmines, the son of the late John W. Collins. B.A.C. Neville and M.J. Neville were the witnesses.

g) Albert Alexander Pelissier, who had been born at Richmond Place, Clonmel, on 1st October 1877; he operated as a chemist.   On 3rd July 1911 in the Registrar's Office, chemist Albert Alexander Pelissier of 54b Lower Dorset Street, Dublin, the son of chemist Robert Shaw Pelissier, married Eileen Mills of 195 Clonliffe Road, the daughter of artist Walter Mills.  This was witnessed by Helen Mills and by what seems to be Helen Muggoe.

Edward Pelissier (1844 - 1928) son of Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier of Clonmel:
Edward Pelissier was baptised by the accountant Alexander Pelissier, and his wife Elizabeth Shaw in St. Mary's, Clonmel, on 10th April 1844.

Edward Pelissier, son of Alexander Pelissier of Waterford, and Hannah Jones, second daughter of the late Edward Jones, married in St. Mary's, Clonmel on September 4th 1873. At the time of the wedding, Edward's father was working for the railway, while Edward Pelissier himself was working as a commercial traveller and was living in Dublin at something that looks like Wiley Street.  He would later operate as a wine merchant.   Hannah Jones was the daughter of the late Clonmel coachbuilder Edward and Sarah Jones of Clonmel.  The witnesses to the 1873 wedding of Hannah Jones and Edward Pelissier, on September 10th 1873, were Alexander Pelissier and Morgan Jones.

The first of this Jones family of Clonmel, and there are many, is the baker, Morgan Jones, who was operating in 1824 in Gladstone Street, Clonmel.  In 1832, Morgan Jones, baker, was at Upper Johnson St., while in 1839, both Margaret and Morgan Jones were noted as bakers of Gladstone Street.  In 1832, Edward Jones was noted as a tanner of Johnson Street Upper.

Morgan Jones, baker, had two known sons, the coachbuilders/undertakers Morgan Jones and Edward Jones, and was married to Frances Jones.
I found the baptism of two of their daughters in the faded St. Mary's register - Ann Jones was born in August 1824 and was baptised by Morgan and Frances Jones on 10th October 1824;  Frances Jones was baptised by Morgan and Frances Jones on 16th February 1828.

Morgan Jones, baker, died in May 1840 at Upper Johnson Street, and his daughter, Anne Jones, was noted as daughter of the late Morgan Jones when she died in 1841 in Upper Johnson Street.

Son Edward Jones gave evidence to an 1851 government enquiry into the financial affairs of Rev. Thomas Kettlewell, who was the master of the Clonmel endowed school which had opened in 1842.  Edward Jones confirmed that he was a Protestant coachmaker and freeman of Clonmel, and that his mother, Frances Jones, a baker, was owed £120 by Rev. Kettlewell for bread deliveries, and that he, Edward Jones, was one of the trustees of Kettlewell's affairs.
In February 1855, Frances Jones, widow of the late Mr. Morgan Jones, died at her residence in Upper Johnson Street.
In 1846, Morgan Jones, cabinet maker and upholsterer was operating at Nelson St., as was a Samuel Jones, civil engineer.

The Landed Estates Court Rentals 1850 - 1885 (Find My Past,ie) notes a lease taken out in Clonmel on 14th June 1844 by Edward Jones for the lives of Morgan Jones, William Jones and Henry Banks, all still alive in 1859 when the estate was being sold off.   Edward and Morgan Jones here were the coachbuilder/carpenter/upholsterer sons of the baker Morgan Jones, but it's unclear who William Jones was.

In 1854, Edward Jones, coachbuilder, had premises in both Beresford Street, Waterford, and in Market Street, Clonmel.

Edward Jones (1803 - 1866), coachbuilder, son of Morgan and Frances Jones, died on 18th June 1866 at Poulnagunoge, now called Mountain Road, Co. Waterford, which is immediately south of Clonmel town, Clonmel being situated on the Tipperary/Waterford border.  The executor of his will was Morgan Jones, coachbuilder.
Griffiths Valuation of 1850 noted two Edward Jones, possibly the same individual, leasing a few acres in Poulnagunoge, Waterford.
A Morgan Jones was noted as master of the Clonmel Mechanical Society in 1835, which would be appropriate for a coachbuilder.
In 1839 a company, Stackpole and Jones, operated as coachbuilders in Richmond St., Clonmel.  By 1889, both Edward Jones and Morgan Jones were coachbuilders of Market St., Clonmel.

Edward Jones, coachbuilder, was married to Sarah, possibly Sarah Irvine, and the children of this couple were as follows:
a) Edward Jones who was baptised in St.Mary's, Clonmel, on 7th November 1848; Edward Jones (1848 - 1878), late of Clonmel, son of Edward and Sarah Jones, died on 13th August 1878 at 14 Stamford Street, Surrey, UK, and his will was granted to his sister, Sarah Irvine Harvey of Dingle, Co. Kerry, the wife of Surgeon-Major Charles Albert Harvey.
b) Hannah Jones who married Edward Pelissier, the son of Alexander Pelissier.
c)  Sarah Irvine Jones who married Charles Albert Harvey, son of William John Harvey of Clonmel.

Sarah Irvine/Irving Jones, the youngest daughter of the late Edward Jones and of Sarah Jones of Clonmel, married the assitant surgeon, Charles Albert Harvey of the 11th Regiment, Madras Native Infantry, in the Mariners' Church, Kingstown/Dun Laoghaire, Co. Dublin on 17th June 1873. Military surgeon Charles Albert Harvey, who married Sarah Irvine Jones in 1873, was the son of the Fethard/Clonmel baker, William John Harvey, who also operated in Clonmel.
The known children of surgeon Charles Albert Harvey and Sarah Irvine/Irving Jones were - Serjeant Major William Edward Harvey of the Australian Light Horse, who had been born in Nagode, Central India, on 9th October 1875, and who went to South Africa in 1895.  He died at Gallipoli on 7th August 1915.   A daughter of Charles Albert Harvey and Sarah Irvine Jones was Flora Caroline Harvey, born 27th October 1876 in Allahabad, Bengal, and who died at sea the following year.  A son was Charles Albert Harvey Junior who was born on 28th April 1878 in either Clontarf or Queenstown, Cork, depending on the record.

When Charles Albert Harvey died in Dingle, Kerry, on 12th October 1887, his will was proved by his brother, the Ennis Clerk of the Crown, John Henry Harvey, who was also the son of William John Harvey, grocer/spirit dealer/wine merchant/baker of Clonmel.

In September 1829 in Dungarvan, William John Harvey, baker of Clonmel, had married Margaret Baker, third daughter of Robert Baker, surveyor of excise. ('Waterford Mail', 30th September 1829).
Margaret Harvey, née Baker, died in February 1848 in Dublin Street, and was noted in the 'Waterford Chronicle' of 2nd February 1848 as the daughter of the late Robert Baker of Dungarvan, and as wife of William John Harvey of Clonmel.
William John Harvey of Clonmel died aged 68 on 14th September 1867.

For clarification's sake, the children of William John Harvey of Clonmel/Fethard, Co. Tipperary, and Margaret Baker were:

a) Robert Baker Harvey.  On 8th December 1857 Robert Baker Harvey of Clonmel married Marianne, the only daughter of the late William Stephenson of Middle Gardiner Street, and of the Bank of Ireland, Dublin.  The ceremony was carried out in Rathfarnham by Rev. John B. Palliser, former rector of Clonmel.  Although the name Pelissier is often misspelt in a variety of ways, I know of no link between the Clonmel Pallisers and the Clonmel/Dublin Pelissiers.
Robert Baker Harvey was noted as the eldest son of William John Harvey when he died young in 1867.

b)  Another son of Fethard wine merchant, William John Harvey, was the magistrate Rodolphus Harvey who had been born in Tipperary on 13th January 1832 -  details of his birth were supplied as proof of age when he applied to join the civil service in 1886.
In November 1858 the 'Waterford Mail' reported that Rodolphus Harvey, second son of William John Harvey of Clonmel, had come first in the three days' of exams, and had therefore been accepted into a cadetship.  In 1859 he was appointed as a sub-inspectorate with the Royal Irish Constabulary.

He married, firstly, Anne Charlotte French, the daughter of William French of 21 Rathmines Road, Dublin, on 4th January 1859, and who had married, secondly, Alicia Ricarda Symes of Dublin.   Rodolphus died in Bray, Co. Wicklow, on 21st July 1909.

c) John Henry Harvey who proved his brother Charles Albert Harvey's 1887 will, and who married Anna Jane Sayers, the daughter of merchant Matthew James Sayers, on 14th April 1868 in Fethard, Tipperary, the home of the Sayers family.  In 1901, the census shows Anna Jane Sayers and John Henry Harvey living in Ennis, with a Dublin-born niece, Olive Harvey, aged 18.  Possible relations might be the Henry Baker Sayers who died in Main St., Fethard in 1902, his widow being Mary J. Sayers;  Henry Baker Sayers proved the will of Frederick Sayers, auctioneer of Fethard, who died in Cashel in 1879.

d) Given the use of the middle name 'Baker', another son of William John Harvey of Clonmel might be Richard Stephen Harvey (1845 - 1915) of 24 Dublin Street, Clonmel, whose son, Henry Baker Harvey died in 1896 at 17 Union Square, Islington, London. a clerk in a factory.  (Margaret Harvey, wife of William John Harvey, died in 1848 in Dublin Street.) Richard Stephen Harvey, a shopkeeper of Clonmel, married a Quebequoise, Margaret Anne Carleton, the daughter of Henry Carleton, in September 1869, and had Henry Baker Harvey in Clonmel in 1872, William Carleton Harvey in 1870, Frederick Harvey in about 1873, John Harvey in 1884, and Victor Harvey in 1887-ish.  Son William Carleton Harvey became an apothecary of Clonmel, while son Frederick Harvey worked as a stationer, living in 1911 with his wife and children in the townland of Poulnagunoge, Waterford, just south of Waterford. They were Plymouth Brethren.

e) Military surgeon Charles Albert Harvey who married Sarah Irvine Jones in 1873, and who died in 1887.

f) A William Harvey died in Newbridge in September 1870 and was noted as the son of the late William John Harvey of Clonmel.  He had been ill for several years prior to his death.

g) The eldest daughter of William John Harvey was Marianne Harvey who was born in Clonmel on 13th June 1833 and who married, on 25th January 1858, Edward Shaw of Dungarvan, Waterford, son of James Shaw.   Proof of her birth was supplied when her brother, Rodolphus, applied to join the civil service in 1886 - a maid who had worked for their parents confirmed that Mary Anne/Marianne Harvey had been born approximately a year and a half after her brother, Rodolphus.

f)  William John Harvey's youngest daughter, Margaret Harvey, married Robert Shaw Pelissier, the son of Alexander and Elizabeth Pelissier of Clonmel.

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Hannah Pelissier, née Jones, wife of Edward Pelissier, died on 31st July 1918 at 32 Ellesmere Avenue, North Circular Road.

Her husband, Edward Pelissier, died on 28th February 1928 at Fortfield Lodge, Kimmage Road, Terenure, which was the home of his daughter, Adelina Maude, and her husband Robert Oscar Jones. The Nicholls funeral was paid for by Robert Oscar Jones's brother, Percival Jones of 114 Stephen's Green.

The children of Edward Pelissier , wine merchant, and Hannah Jones (born 1846, Tipperary):

Edward Alexander, born 22 Leinster Square, Rathmines, Dublin. 17th June 1874.  On 1st February 1901 in St. Mary's, Dublin, Edward Alexander Pelissier, commercial traveller of 58 Blessington Street, married Ida Moore of 17 Charleville Terrace, North Circular Road, the daughter of photographer William George Moore. Eliza Jane and William George Moore were the witnesses at this wedding.
The newlyweds settled in Harbour St, Athlone, where Edward worked as a commercial traveller.  Ida Moore had been born on 7th April 1880 to the Cork-born photographer, William George Moore, and to Jane Moore. Edward Alexander Pelissier and Ida Moore had Ida Alexandra Pelissier in Athlone in 1901, Dorothy Muriel Pelissier at 9 Airfield Road on 22nd July 1904, and William Edward Pelissier on 4th October 1906 at Newtown Terrace, Athlone.

Edward Alexander Pelissier appeared on a 1907 passenger list, arriving in New York - he gave his profession as a grocer, and was going to visit a friend, Joseph Andrews, of Sheffield st., Ohio. A commercial traveller, Edward Alexander Pelissier died of pneumonia in St. Peter's Hospital, Helena, Montana, on 30th November 1912. 
In 1910, Ida Pelissier and her three children travelled to Helena, Montana, and she stated that her last residence had been with her father,  W.G. Moore of 11 Upper Sackville Street.   Ida and her three children, it was stated on the passenger list, were travelling to her husband, Edward A. Pelissier, of Helena, Montana, who would die there on 30th November 1912. He was buried in Benton Cemetery, Helena, Montana.   Ida Pelissier was buried in Mount Jerome Cemetery when she died, aged 78, on 15th November 1958.

 On 5th November 1926 in Rathfarnham Church, Edward Alexander Pelissier's daughter, Ida Alexandra Pelissier of Fortfield Lodge, Terenure, the home of her aunt, Adelina Maude Jones, married William Henry Copeland Stone, a civil engineer of 2 Forthill Road, Enniskillen, the son of a commission agent, William Stone. The witnesses were R. W. O. Jones and R. Jones.

The widow of Edward Alexander Pelissier, Ida Pelissier of 48 Trees Road, Mount Merrion, died in the Adelaide Hospital on 15th November 1958 with probate granted to retired civil servant William Henry Copeland Stone.  

Adelina Maud, born Sandford, 22 Leinster Square, Dublin. 12th March 1876. (Adelina Maud, aka Aunt Aida, married Robert Oscar Jones, the brother of our maternal great-grandmother, Tennie.)
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James Shaw Pelissier, born Malahide Road, Clontarf, Dublin. 21st December 1877.  A commercial traveller, he died unmarried aged only 33 in December 1911 in some sort of an asylum in Finglas.

Robert, born Malahide Road, 22nd May 1880.  Robert, in 1901, was working aboard the SS Cymric, a sister ship to the Titanic, which worked the New York to Liverpool line.  
On 10th June 1907 in the Registrar's Office, Robert Pelissier, a cycle salesman of 23 St.James Avenue, Clonliffe, married Margaret Monks of 21 St. James Avenue, the daughter of the late wine merchant, Patrick Monks.  The witnesses were George de Vette and Henry Harrison. (The only match to Margaret Monks that I can find was a Catholic Margaret Monks aged 26 in 1901 who was living in a convent on North Great Georges Street.)
The couple were living in 1911 on Belvidere Avenue, Dublin, with a 3-year-old son, Robert Shaw Pelisser who had been born at 21 St James Avenue onb 8th July 1907. The family were Catholic now. At this time, Robert was working as a postman.  A daughter, Lily Pelissier, was born on 11th April 1909 at 22 Russell Avenue, but she died a few weeks later.

William George Gloster Pelissier, born Hollybrook Lodge, Howth, Dublin. 21st February 1882. William Gloster Pelissier spent much of his early adult life in South Africa, where he joined the Natal Police for 7 years, followed by a two and a half year stint with the Yeomanry, 61st Company.  He lived in Germiston, where he married Letitia Adeline on April 21st 1910.  She had been born on December 30th 1876 in Southsea, England.  The couple travelled to Helena, Montana, in October 1912, where his older brother, Edward A. Pelissier, would die of pneumonia several weeks afterwards.  Later, in 1919, William and Letitia travelled to Seattle, Washington, where they applied to enter Vancouver.  William was living at Sylvia Court Appartments, Vancouver, when he was drafted into the Canadian Overseas Expeditionary Forces/Canadian Engineers at the outset of W.W.1.   I accessed these records on Ancestry.com - William and Adeline get his date of birth wrong in all of the documents, in some it's Feb. 23rd 1883, in some it's Feb. 23rd 1882.     At the outset of W.W.11., William was once again called up.  His address at this stage was 4047 - 50 S.W. Seattle, and he worked for the Bethlehem Steel Company.   Adeline and William had no children.  

Ethel Elizabeth Pelissier, born Hollyrook Lodge, Howth on 23rd November 1883.  On 3rd August 1908 in the Centenary Methodist Church, Ethel Elizabeth Pelissier of 58 Blessington Street married insurane inspector William Harold Lumley of 94 St. Stephens Green, in South Dublin on 5th August 1908. William Harold Lumley was the son of a Methodist preacher, William Benjamin Lumley, who had been born in King's County, and of Fannie Leech of Sligo.  The wedding was witnessed by Meta A. Pelissier and R.F. Woodworth.
They had a daughter, Doreen Lumley in 1909.  On 20th July 1914 at Clonard, Westfield Road, a daughter, Daisy Kestivan Lumley, was born.

Meta Alexandra, born Hollybrook Lodge,Howth Road, Clontarf on 10th November 1885. Meta Alexandra witnessed the wedding in 1897, of her sister, Adelina Maude, to Robert Oscar Jones. On 23rd June 1915 in Holy Trinity, Rathmines, Co. Dublin, she married Captain William John Cooney of 4 Windsor Road, Rathmines, the son of Thomas Cooney, This was witnessed by Alexander Basil Cooney and Alice Maude Pelissier, who was the bride's cousin. At the time of the wedding, the Pelissier family were living at 32 Ellesmere Avenue, NCR.

Louise St.Clair Pelissier, born 29th January 1888 at Hollybrook Lodge. Louisa, aka Lulu or Loo, married, on 12th September 1911 in All Saints Church, Grangegorman, Ernest Telford Roney of 34 Lower Gardiner  Street. At the time of the wedding the bride was living with her family at 32 Ellesmere Avenue, North Circular Road, while the groom was noted in the papers as working in the Registrar of Petty Sessions Clerks Office in Dublin.  The witnesses were Thomas Roney and Edward Pelissier.
Ernest Telford Roney and Louisa Pelissier emigrated to Ohio in 1917.  Ernest had been born to Thomas Roney and Deborah Telford in Rathmines, Dublin, in 1874 and died in Ohio on 3rd December 1951. His wife, Louise, died at 1342 Prospect Road, Ashtabula, Ohio, on 12th November 1942.  The couple had one son, Leslie Roney, who married Ruth M. Maloy, the daughter of Frank Maloy and Gertrude Slutz, on 25th December 1935.  
(Of Interest:  The middle name of the above Louise St. Clair Pelissier is interesting.  An Ambrose Jones of Lyss, Co. Westmeath, made his will on 15th November 1764, with probate on 10th June 1755. A Lieutenant of the Royal Navy, he left a widow, Hannah Jones, and a nephew, Ambrose Jones, of Jonesburrow/Jonesborough, Co. Meath.   His brother-in-law was named as William St. Clair of Oldcastle, Co. Meath, who was of the family of Rosslyn, Orkney, who had left Scotland for Ireland and who was living in 1764.  His nephew was Dr. John St. Clair of Oldcastle, Co. Meath, who was alive in 1784, and who settled at Leyden where he was a scholar in the Celtic and Norman languages.  I wonder were these Jones related to the Jones of Clonmel somehow?)

Edward Pelissier (1845 - 1929)  and Hannah Jones (1846 - 1918), the parents of our Adelina Maud, were living at 58.2 Blessington Street, Dublin, in 1901, although they wrote their family name in the incorrect column of the census return which made tracking them down difficult.   With them on census night were four of their eight children, James, Ethel, Lulu/Louise, and Meta.    Also there was the Aberdeen-born cousin, Meta Reid.
By 1911 the family were living in 50 Grosvenor Square, Rathmines. The children had all moved on, and cousin Meta Reid was now joined by a cousin, Sarah Kyte who had been born in 1866 in Tipperary, possibly to John Kyte and Sarah Wiggins who follows....

I haven't worked out how Sarah Kyte related to the Pelissier, but here are a few records for the Kyte family of Cashel:
Pigots Directory of 1824 shows up John Kyte of Canopy Street, a boot and shoe maker, and also Rhoda Kyte of Main St., who was a glass and earthenware dealer.  'The Waterford Mail' of 16th February 1839 notes the marriage in Cashel Cathedral of Mr. Moore of New-Inn to Bessy, the 2nd daughter of John Kyte of Cashel.  On 18th January 1833 in Kilfinan, a John Kyte of Cashel married Sarah, the eldest daughter of Joseph Wiggins of Kilfinan.  This younger John Kyte and his wife Sarah might be the parents of the Sarah Kyte, daughter of John Kyte of Cashel, who married James Joseph Robinson, son of John Robinson, on 4th January 1866.

By 1846, there was a merchant of Cashel, Daniel Kyte (1798 - 1888) who married Sarah Launders or Lander in 1827.  A Lucy Lander of Dalkey, who died unmarried on 14th July 1878, named Daniel Kyte as the executor of her will.  He was also the executor of the will of Rhoda Lander of Leinster Terrace, Dublin, who died on 22nd February 1879, and of the will of William Lander, coachbuilder of Kilkenny, who died on 27th April 1874.
Daniel Kyte leased property from Mathew Pennefather on 20th December 1849.  Daniel’s son was Daniel Dutton Kyte (1845 - 1879).   The Landed Estates Court Rentals of  1851 noted that Daniel Kyte took out a lease on 20th December 1849 at 4 Blind Street, Cashel, from Mathew Pennefather for three lives, namely his 4-year-old son, Daniel Dutton Kyte, Robert Lander, aged 8, son of coachbuilder William Lander, and Mathew Judge, aged 4, son of Mathew Judge of Cashel.
The 3rd daughter of Daniel Kyte of Cashel was Jeannie Prosser Kyte who married Rev. Robert Boyd, the Wesleyan minister of Roscrea, on 14th August 1867 in Cashel.  Daniel Kyte's sister was Sarah, wife of Matthew Jusge, who died aged 46 in Liverpool in December 1859.
In the 1860s, Daniel Kyte and Joseph Kyte made contributions to the Cashel Association of the County Tipperary Protestant Orphans Association.


Other Jones families of Clonmel:
There were numerous Morgan Jones in the Clonmel area. I don't know if the following relate to the preceding Jones family.  The following was Catholic, as opposed to Protestant, but may well have converted upon his marriage.  He was a baker, as was the original Morgan Jones. For the moment I'll park him here! He married Mary O'Gorman and had children in Clonmel - Morgan Paul Jones was born 21st July 1878, John Francis Jones was born 26th September 1876 in Thomas St., Clonmel, and Mary Clare Jones was born in Clonmel on 5th August 1880.   Morgan Jones died at Prince Edwards Place, Clonmel, on 21st January 1900.

The name Morgan Jones went back through the generations in this area - a Morgan Jones made his will in Nenagh, Tipperary, in 1777.   Another Morgan Jones, noted as the son of John Jones of Clonmel, died aged 61 on 9th October 1808.
A John Jones died at Clonmel on 9th October 1808 and was buried at Old Powerstown graveyard - he was noted as the son of Morgan Jones.
John Jones and the late Morgan Jones were noted as freeholders, entitled to vote, at Laffina Jones/Laffunny in 1775 and 1776.
Rev. Samuel Riall of Clonmel married Susannah Jones, the daughter of Morgan Jones - Samuel Riall was noted in 1773 as Rector of Killenaube, diocese of Cashel.  
The use of the name 'Robertson' links this branch of the Jones family to the family of Sir Richard Jones which follows.)

Sir Richard Jones:
Another Morgan Jones died in Clonmel on 18th March 1862, and his will was administered by his son, William Robertson Jones of Hollyville Park, Monkstown, Co. Dublin.  This William Robertson Jones, died at Tudor House, Monkstown, on 21st March 1885;  his widow was named as Amelia Florence Kilgray. They had married in St. Marks, Dublin, on 12th July 1865.
The death of this earlier Morgan Jones of Clonmel was also recorded in the Dublin Evening Mail of 21st March 1862 - he was noted as the eldest son of Sir Richard Jones, and as the brother of Colonel Jones of Kilkenny.
A Morgan Jones made his will in 1783, although this might be the one who died in 1808 - he named his children as John Jones, Susanna Jones Riall, and Richard Jones, and his two grandchildren as William Robertson and Catherine Robertson.

(The same newspaper also announced the marriage of the daughter of a Morgan Jones of Regaile House, Tipperary in February 1852 - Marie Morgana Jones married Charles Davenport Cuthbert, the son of William Hamilton Cuthbert MD.)

Morgan Jones' father, Sir Richard Jones of Clonmel, died in 1825, leaving his widow by whom he had had 23 children, although only 15 survived and were alive at the time of his death in 1825.  Sir Richard Jones had operated as a magistrate in Clonmel during the era of the 1798 Rebellion, and may have been knighted for his work in prosecuting the rebels in the area.  There is no evidence yet that the family of the coachbuilders, Edward and Morgan Jones, were related to this Richard Jones, magistrate, but I'll note his family here nonetheless.

Along with Morgan Jones, who died in Clonmel in 1862, Sir Richard Jones had the following children:

Mary Jones who was married to Richard C. Labarthe or Labarte, an attorney of Clonmel, who was living at Bagwell Street in 1846.   The register of St. Mary's, Clonmel, is grievously faded, but I came across the baptism of an Anne Labarte on 7th November 1825 by Edward and Sarah Labarte.  A later entry was nigh-on illegible, but noted the baptism on 28th July 1846 of a (Brerely?) Richard Labarth to a solicitor, Labarte, and to his wife Elizabeth.

Edward Jones, who was the youngest son of Sir Richard Jones, died at Clonmel on 7th April 1854.

Joseph Jones of Clonmel, who died on 25th December 1859, was noted as the son of Sir Richard Jones.
Another possible son might be William Jones who also lived in Clonmel.
A daughter of Sir Richard Jones was Eliza Jones who married Edwin Taylor, JP of Clogheen, in June 1830 in Clonmel. Edwin Taylor was the land agent to Lord Lismore throughout the Famine era.

From the Clonoulty Protestant burial register were the following:

22 Jan 1824, buried in Clogher, Sir Richard Jones of Clonmel.
30 Nov 1844, buried in Clogher, Dibora, daughter of the late Sir Richard Jones.
7 April 1854, buried in Clogher, Edward Jones, son of the late Sir Richard Jones.
3 Sept 1873, buried in Clogher, George Jones of Clonmel, aged 86 years. This George Jones died at Anner Park, Tipperary, and his will was administered by his nephew, William Robertson Jones, who also administered the will of Hannah Burne Jones of Anner Park.
6 Nov 1873, buried in Clogher, William Jones aged 80 years.

The Jones family of Laffunny/Laffina, Clonmel were buried in Clogher graveyard:

'270 : Here lieth the body of Thomas/Jones son of Morgan Jones of Laffunny who died 4th of June/ 1769 aged 18 yrs also Susanna/Jones alias Hughes who died/  July ye 17th 1780 aged 65 also/  George Jones son of Morgan/ Jones who died 16th September/1783 aged 35 yrs/also Mrs. Morgan Jones of Laffunny who dpd life July 10th/ 1786 aged 78 yrs.'

Following restoration work in Clogher graveyard about 20 years ago,  it was noted that  'in the graveyard is a vault concealed by a 3' wall with a railing on top...members of the Jones family and some of the Taylors of Laffina are buried there, and it dates from, at the latest, 1769.  Unfortunately this vault and its contents were interfered with a number of years ago and the lead was stolen from all the coffins which subsequently disintegrated.  All skeletal remains were buried near No 270 headstone.'

The Jones of Clonmel may descend from the Lewis Joanes of Cloneyharp who was noted there in the Hearth Money records of the mid 17th century.  (Many thanks to Con Ryan for sharing what he has uncovered about the early history of this Jones family.)






Tuesday, 21 February 2012

Properties owned/leased by the Williams of Dublin

This post documents properties associated with the Williams family.  I will add to it as I discover more.  This information was found in the records of the Encumbered Estates Court, which took control of properties bankrupted by the Famine and subsequent emigration, and sold them off.
Of interest is the Williams’ ownership of property in Wexford, and of No. 39 Dame St. (Their business address was No. 38.)  A James Williams, who I had not come across before, passed No. 39 on to Thomas Williams by 1824.

To be sold by auction on 28th June 1850, property owned by Thomas Williams and Croker Barrington;  the petitioners were Richard Williams (Thomas’ father) and Richard’s son, Richard Palmer Williams.
The property to be sold was in the Barony of Coonagh, Co. Limerick, and the Barony of Lower Tulla, Co. Clare.
Also up for sale was the freehold interest and ground rent of certain dwelling houses in Pery Square and Hartstonge Street, Limerick City, as well as building ground in Barrington Street.

A record of premises on the North Wall, Dublin, owned by the city of Dublin Steam Packet Company.  The lot was between Mayor Street and the ‘River Anna Liffey’.  The articles of agreement for this property , dated 29th February 1835, were made between Westby Percival on the one part, and Charles Wye Williams, James Jameson, and Richard Williams - the proprietors of the CDSPCo - on the other.  This is next to the new Samuel Beckett Bridge.

In the Court of Commissioners for the Sale of Encumbered estates, the Estate of Richard Williams was to be sold on 24th February 1857.  For sale was land held in Co. Wexford and also properties in Co. Dublin -
The property in Wexford was at Crandaniel, Little Holmestown, Holmestown, Knockmullen/Portersknock, Great Bailymanane, and Bunarget in the town of New Ross and in County Wexford.
The dwelling houses of 38 and 39 Dame Street.
Nos 41, 42 and 43 Kildare Street, aka Elvidge’s Hotel; also premises in the rear on Frederick Lane, used as stables for Morrison’s Hotel.
A house at 61 Eccles Street.
House and Villa Lands at Drumcondra, called Goose Green.

More on 38 Dame St - in 1857, the tenant occupying the premises was Richard William’s son (and business partner), Thomas Williams. He had taken out the lease on 8th June 1852.
The Dublin Valuation of 1830 noted that the owners of the property were Williams and Williams.  The same valuation noted a Williams at 3 Dame Lane, 20 Eustace Street, and 3 College Green.  John Dignan Williams lived at Eustace Street (number 15, then 25) earlier;   William Williams lived at 3 College Green.

The premises on Fredericks Lane, being used as a stables by Morrison’s Hotel at the time of the 1857 sale, was being leased by John Baker Esq.   The original lease had been taken out by Richard Williams on 21st July 1817, and was between himself on the one part, and Walter Jones and the Rt. Hon. Elizabeth Lady Dowager Baroness Rossmore and the Rev. Thomas Brownrigg, the executors of Robert Lord Rossmore, on the other part.

No. 61 Eccles Street had a tenant, James Peebles Esq.  The house had originally been leased by Isaac Ambrose Eccles to Alexander Worthington in 1798;  there was no mention of Richard Williams in the particulars given.

Drumcondra/Goose Green (ie:Drumcondra Castle):  The original lease of this property passed the estate from William Philips to Richard Evans; a lease of 1772,  passed the estate from George Ormsby  to George Holmes - in 1857, at the time of the sale, these early leases were no longer available. The property consisted of 30 acres, bounded by the estates of Lady Charleville and the estate of Thomas Twigg Esq.
In 1857, the property was in the possession of Richard Williams and of his late father, Thomas Williams.  The last renewal of the lease, on 6th December 1827, was from Robert Grey to Thomas Williams, and was for the lives of Richard Williams, the current owner, and his two sons, Thomas Williams and George Gibbons Williams, all still alive in 1857.
In 1857, there were several tenants leasing property on the estate - Ewart Christopher Irvine (16 acres),  Eliza Peat and Rosa Collins (25 acres), and Dr. William Lynch (6 acres).

For sale in 1859: 16 Gardiner Place- in 1853, Richard Williams leased the house here to Robert Duffield Speedy, Esq. M.D.;  earlier, in 1792, Thomas Williams had leased the house from John Darley.  Robert Duffield Speedy was named in 1864 as a proprietor of the City of Dublin Steam Packet Company; on 23rd October 1863 he had been elected as a director of the company to replace the later William Moore Geoghegan.

For sale in 1859:  Nos. 8 Synnott Place.  (Richard’s son Charles Watkin Williams had lived in No. 8 Synnott Place for a time.)   Richard Williams had leased the house to William Johnston in 1853; the current tenant was Mrs. Harriett Johnston.

For sale in 1859:  No 2, Belvidere Place.  The original lease was between John Johnson and John Russell in 1795;   the document doesn’t mention the Williams family - perhaps the original lease no longer existed in 1859 - but they lived here in the early part of the nineteenth century;   in 1859, however, Richard Williams was leasing the house to John Smith Esq.

Document of 1871, giving the tenure and particulars of 5 and 6 Barrington St,  Limerick City, which details that the lease, taken out on 31st May 1831, from the Earl of Limerick to Joseph Barrington, who was to hold the lease for  the lives of Thomas Williams, then aged about 21, George Gibbons Williams aged about 19, and Richard Palmer Williams aged about 17, the first, second and third sons of Richard Williams of Drumcondra Castle.  (I think this property was also up for sale in 1871.)

For Sale by Richard Williams in 1857: 39 Dame Street - Indenture of demise, dated 13th December 1786, from James Williams to Henry Wilme for 999 years.  The interest of James Williams became vested in Thomas Williams, and the interest of Henry Wilme became vested in Benjamin Poyntz....23rd December 1824, an indenture of lease was executed between Thomas Williams of the first part, John Weldon, silk mercer of the second part, and Benjamin Poyntz of the third part.   This property was offered up for sale in 1857 as part of Richard Williams’ estate.  The tenants using the premises in 1857 were the West of England Insurance Company.
(39 Dame Street - Lease: Indenture of lease dated the 13th December 1786 from James Williams to Henry Wilme for 999 years , from 1st January 1787, at the yearly rent of £100....an indenture of lease dated 23rd December 1823, was made and executed between Thomas Williams Esq., of the 1st part, John Weldon, silk mercer, of the 2nd part, and Benjamin Poyntz, hosier, of the 3rd part, whereby the said Thomas Williams (in whom the interest of said James Williams, in said premises, was then vested) demised said premises to Benjamin Poyntz (in whom the interest of said Henry Wilme therein was also vested) for the term of 961 years...with liberty of carts, cars, horses, carriages, labourers and servants to pass and repass from and through the passage then and now called Dame-lane, at the rear of said house and premises, at all hours and times, and liberty was thereby reserved to the said Benjamin Poyntz...at the expiration of every seven years of said term, to surrender said premises on giving six months previous notice in writing.
And by deed of 14th June 1842, William Hodges and others (in whom the lessee’s interest in said indentures of 13th December 1786 and 23rd December 1823 was then vested)  assigned their interest to Samuel Page, who executed a declaration of trust  that he held in trust, and for and on behalf of The West of England Insurance Company.)

 The valuation of Dublin of 1830 named Poyntz as the proprietor of 39 Dame Street.

Notes on James Williams, original owner of 39 Dame Street, whose widow, Dorothea Williams, sold the house on to Henry Wilme in 1787.  James Williams was a printer/bookseller who printed Enlightenment literature at his premises in Skinner Row near Fishamble St.  He married, in 1763, Dorothea Archer, the daughter of John Archer, another bookseller of Dame St and of Kilkenny.  James carried on his business in Skinner Row for about 20 years before moving down the road to the more fashionable Dame St in 1784;  he died there in 1787 and his widow sold on the house at this point.   I believe that Henry Wilme, who bought the property from her, was a well-known goldsmith from the Dublin Castle area at the north end of Dame St - James Williams may well have been a member of the family of the goldsmith Richard Williams who lived at Castle Street.   The children of James Williams intermarried with the Finn family of Kilkenny - this family were the owners of 'The Leinster Journal' for which James Williams was the Dublin agent.  In 1797, William Williams of Kilmacud, Dublin, the son of the late James Williams, married Elizabeth Finn of Kilkenny.  The witness was her brother, Michael Finn, who married Sarah, a second Williams daughter.  William Williams and Michael Finn went into stockbroking and banking together in Kilkenny where their bank, 'Williams & Finn',  failed in about 1821.

1859:  15, Gardiner Place.  Original lease taken out by Thomas Williams in 1792;  his grandson, Charles Watkin Williams took out a lease in 1852 with the current tenant, Wensley Bond Jennings.

1860:  Lands at Little Kilrush, Clare;  lease, dated 3rd January 1845, from Matthew Barrington to Charles Wye Williams.  The lot for sale consisted of a residence, stables, outhouses, garden and pleasure grounds, and commanded fine views up and down the River Shannon.  Charles Wye Williams was leasing about 1 acre of this while a John Thomas McSheehy was leasing a further 2 acres of the lot.

1856: Parle’s Holding and Philip’s Meadow in the Faith, Batt Street, and William Street, in the town of Wexford (19 acres).  The notes for this property record that the last renewal of the lease had been taken out on 24th December 1822, from Sir William Geary and Lady Henrietta Geary to Samuel Batt, Hannah Chandler, Anne Hours, John Dignam (sic) Williams and his wife Mary, for the three lives of Benjamin Batt, Anne Hours and the Duke of Leinster. (Benjamin Batt was since deceased.)
The current tenant was Sam.Batt,  the represesentative of H. Hillary and Wm. Chamberlaine.