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Thursday, 9 May 2013

General Sir John Lysaght Pennefather and Margaret Carr

General Sir John Lysaght Pennefather was born on September 9th 1798, the third son of the Rev. John Pennefather and Elizabeth Percival. We descend directly from his half-brother, Edward Pennefather, who had been born earlier to the Rev. John Pennefather and his first unnamed wife.  Our Edward Pennefather named his oldest son, our great-great-great grandfather, John Lysaght Pennefather, after his half-brother.
I've already done a brief post about Sir John Lysaght Pennefather's military career, so this post focuses on his family.

The wife of General Sir John Lysaght Pennefather was Katherine Margaret Carr/Margaret Carr (1803 - 1880) , the eldest daughter of John Carr and Susannah Senior of Mountrath, Queen's County.  Margaret had previously been married to William Bartley of Monaghan.

Her father, John Carr, lived in Mountrath, Laois/Queen's County. The 'Dublin Evening Post' of 11th April 1797 noted that John Carr of Mount Rath was searching for a distiller.  'Saunders Newsletter' of 9th December 1805 published a letter of thanks from John Carr of Mountrath to the Globe Insurance Company for making good his losses following a fire in his corn stores, a mere three days after taking out the policy. The following year the 'Saunders' edition of 8th December 1806 advertised a sale at the Excise Office of 12,000 gallons of seized spirits, distilled by John Carr of Mountrath, under seizure for non-payment of excise.  He was finally declared bankrupt in August 1811, and emigrated to Canada.
The 'Dublin Evening Post' of 16th February 1822, the 'Emigrants' Guide to Canada' was recommended by, amongst others, John Carr of Mountrath, now resident in Canada.

The Tithe Applotment books of 1829 only show up a Michael Carr and an Edward Carr living in Lower Mountrath in the parish of Clonenagh and Clonagheen.  Later, in 1851, Griffiths Valuation showed up Michael Carr leasing three acres from the landowner, Sir Charles H. Coote.   An 1814 lease noted the names of James Morton, Thomas Morton, George Morton and Charles Henry Coote in relation to property at Little Island, Clonmel and Mountrath. Also in Coote Street, Mountrath town, Dysartbeagh, was a William Senior leasing a house from a James Lawless.  In the same townland of Dysartbeagh, a Rev. James Moreton owned 26 acres.
This Rev. James Moreton or Morton was of the same family of the Mortons of Little Island, Clonmel, Tipperary, who were related to the Carrs.
Rev. James Morton of Little Island, Clonmel, married Caroline Esther Duddell, the daughter of Richard Duddell and niece of the late Rev. John Duddell, in Limerick Cathedral in July 1842. Their eldest son was Samuel James Morton of Corolanty House, King's County, a captain in the 6th Carabineers, who died on 22nd October 1860.  The Mortons of Clonmel were related to the Tuckey family of Cork - Samuel Morton Tuckey who died on 21st October 1864 was the eldest son of Rev. Thomas Tuckey of Clonmel, who was the son of Rev. Charles Tuckey - Thomas Tuckey was married to Margaret Norton, daughter of Samuel Morton of Clonmel.   The Tuckey name was reused by the Carrs in London;  perhaps their late mother, Susanna, was a member of the Tuckey family.

John Carr (and perhaps his wife Susannah) had left for Canada by 1822, and their children were taken under the wing of their uncle, a Morton of Little Island, Clonmel, Tipperary.

Richard Carr, Margaret's brother, was sent to London and entered a finance house there.   Margaret's sister, Ellen, who had been born circa 1806 in Ireland, married her first cousin, William Carr, a damask merchant. The son of William and Ellen Carr, Henry Tuckey Carr, was born 20th April 1826, at Gt. George's Street, St. Pancras;  a daughter, Margaret Carr, was born circa 1827.  In 1841, the family were living in Camden Cottages, Kentish Town;  Susan Bartley, aged 15, who was the daughter of Margaret Carr and William Bartley, was visiting them on the night of the census.

 On 18th May 1841, in St. Pancras Church, the Rev. G. Lawless AM, preacher of Cashel Cathedral, married Susan Ellen, the eldest daughter of William Carr of Camden Cottages. ('Dublin Morning Register' of 15th May 1841.)

By 1851 they were living in New Barn's House, Ely, Cambridgeshire, although William Carr was away on business, staying in a boarding house in Halifax, Yorkshire.  Their son, Henry Tuckey Carr, a warehouseman, married Hannah Barber Cheetham on September 14th 1864, in St. John's, Manchester. Hannah was the daughter of Joseph Cheetham, also a warehouseman.  Henry and Hannah Carr settled in Hulme, Lancashire.

Margaret Carr's first husband, William Bartley, had been born in about 1799 in Lossit,  Co.Monaghan to the surgeon, George Bartley and his wife, Christina Metge.  George Bartley (1753 - 1800) had been the surgeon of the Monaghan Infirmiary for 50 years.
The children of George and Christina Bartley were Jessie 1785 - 1876 who lived in Dublin, John Metge Bartley 1787 - 1881 who married Jane Cowell, Major General Sir Robert Bartley 1789 - 1843,  George who died in 1861, William who married Margaret Carr, and Christina Bartley.

William Bartley was with the 22nd Regiment of Foot, as was John Lysaght Pennefather.  William Bartley married Katherine Margaret Carr in about 1824, and the couple had two daughters before William died and was buried in 1828 in Jamaica.
Susan Bartley was born in Jamaica in about 1825, while her younger sister, Margaret Ann, was born on April 23rd 1827, and was baptised at home in St. Pancras,  London, on 19th June 1827.  The family were living on Georges Street at the time, the same street where Margaret Bartley's sister, Ellen Carr, was living at this time with her husband William Carr.

At the time of his death in Jamaica in 1828, William Bartley was the paymaster of the 22nd Regiment.  John Lysaght Pennefather escorted his widow and daughter back to London, and the couple were married on December 9th 1830 in St. Pancras Parish Church. The witnesses were Margaret's brother, Richard Carr, her sister, Ellen Carr, and Ellen's husband who was also the sisters' first cousin, William Carr.

Following their marriage, John Lysaght Pennefather adopted his step-daughter, Susan Bartley Pennefather, and contact with the Bartley family was lost.   Margaret accompanied her husband abroad to India, and Susan was sent to boarding school in France, spending holidays at home with her Carr cousins in Camden.

Susan Bartley Pennefather (1825 - 1866) married the Canadian, John Hamilton Gray (1811 - 1887) who was the Premier of Lord Edward Island.  John had been an officer in the British Army for 21 years;  at the outbreak of the Crimean War in 1854, his father-in-law, Sir John Lysaght Pennefather, took the recently retired John Hamilton Gray on as a staff assistant. Following the war, he returned to Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, where he lived at Inkerman House, which had been named after John Lysaght Pennefather's victory during the Battle of Inkerman.
John Hamilton Gray and Susan Bartley Pennefather had five daughters together following their wedding in India.  Harriet Worrall Gray was born on a troop ship on the Red Sea, Margaret Bartley was born in South Africa, Florence Bartley in England, Mary and Bertha were both born in Prince Edward Island.
Susan Bartley Pennefather died in Charlottetown in 1864.

In 1861, John and Margaret Pennefather were living in Seale, Surrey, where John was the commander of Aldershot Camp.   Their granddaughter, a favourite of Margaret's, was with them on the census.  This was Harriet Worrell Gray, who had been born in 1843 - 'at sea' -  to Susan Bartley Pennefather and John Hamilton Gray.
In 1871, John and Margaret Pennefather were living in the Chelsea Hospital where John was the governor.  Again,  Harriet Worrell Gray, was with them, as was a Canadian-born niece, Caroline Riddell, who had been born circa 1849.  (Another of our elderly relations was living in the Chelsea Hospital in 1871 - Frederick Courtenay of Dublin was the retired father-in-law of our great-great-great grandfather, John Pennefather of Dublin.)
Cousin Caroline Riddell was one of Harriet's bridesmaids when she married Rev. Henry Pelham Stokes, the son of the cleric George Stokes,  on 15th January 1880, at St. Peter's, Cranley Gardens, Chelsea.  Harriet's address at the time was 8 Cranley Place, the home of her grandmother, Margaret Pennefather.  Her father was noted as John Hamilton Gray, C.M.G., Colonel in the 7th Dragoon Guards.  Other bridesmaids were cousins, E.L. Mackay, Florence Moreton and Harriet Hamilton.

Harriet's step-grandfather, General Sir John Lysaght Pennefather died on 9th May 1872 and was buried in Brompton Cemetery.
Her grandmother, Lady Margaret Pennefather, died at Cranley Place, Onslow Square, on 7th February 1880, and her will was proved by Harriet Worrall Stokes, wife of Henry Pelham Stokes.   Harriet died two years after her maternal grandmother on 13th January 1882 at 5 Coleshill Street, Eaton Square, and was buried alongside her grandparents in Brompton Cemetery.  Her husband, Henry Pelham Stokes of Wareham Parish, Dorset, proved her will.


  1. I have an original oil painting of Lady Pennefather at about the time of her marriage to General Sir John Lysaght Pennefather.

  2. Hello Sam, I'm guessing you must be a descendant of the Pennefathers. Do you descend through Susan Bartley Pennefather? That painting sounds fascinating, and you're lucky it's survived through the years.

    1. Yes, Susan`s youngest daughter Roberta (known as Bertha, Bertie and Dally in the family) Gray Peters was my great-grandmother. She inherited the painting and passed it on to her daughter Helen Peters Dewdney, who passed it on to my mother Dee Dee, who left it to me. Bertha brought the painting with her to British Columbia when her husband Frederick Peters moved his family there from Prince Edward Island in 1898. I have the image posted on the profile page for Katherine Margaret Carr in the McBride Family Tree on